[Proposal] Addition to Character Bylaws - Backdating XP
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Proposal Type: Bylaw Revision
Opened: 08-Jul-2018 12:00AM EDT
Closing: 15-Jul-2018 12:00AM EDT
As CM of St. Augustine: On Haunted Ground, I propose the following:
ADD to Character Bylaw 3 (Experience Points)
e. Retroactive or backdated experience points
i. If a player transfers a character to another chronicle, their new staff may not award them backdated experience points prior to when the PC was transferred to that chronicle, except as outlined below:
1. If all parties involved in the character transfer (former STs, player, new STs) agree that an error was made, it can be corrected without further oversight needed.
Reasoning:
I have more to this idea, but wanted to start with the simplest regulation I could. By not spelling out more specific exemptions and exceptions, anyone who wants to transfer for XP will have to pass it through council.
- Echo
CM: St. Augustine: On Haunted Ground
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Ballot Options For
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71 out of 159 eligible voters cast their ballot
For
59% (42 votes)
Against
34% (24 votes)
Abstain
7% (5 votes)
| Chronicle/Position | Voted for | Comment |
|---|---|---|
| Dubuque, IA - USA, Kingdom of Ashes | Abstain | |
| New York City, NY - USA, Kings of New York | For | |
| St. Louis, MO - USA, Shadows of St. Louis | For | |
| Los Angeles, CA - USA, La Sangre De Los Angeles | For | |
| Campinas, SP - Brazil, Império das Cinzas | For | |
| Rockland, NY - USA, Under The Rock | For | I'm for this, because if there is issue in transfer, that requires exec mediation, the character is technically transferred from original game to exec, and then from exec to new game. |
| Sheboygan, WI - USA, Blood on the Lake | Against | |
| Curitiba, PR - Brazil, Curitiba By Night | For | |
| La Crosse, WI - USA, The Rivers Edge | For | |
| Iowa City, IA - USA, Fields of Rage | For | |
| Dois Vizinhos, PR - Brazil, The Kingdom by Night - Immortal Royalty | Against | |
| Cape Cod, MA - USA, Rage Across the Cape | For | |
| Berkeley, CA - USA, Wasting the Dawn | Against | |
| Stockton, CA - USA, Stockton by Night | For | |
| Milwaukee, WI - USA, Nocturnal Rapture | For | |
| Peoria, IL - USA, The Shattered Mirror | For | |
| Martinsburg, WV - USA, Martinsburg by Night | For | |
| Decatur, IL - USA, The Chaos Within | Abstain | |
| Tampa, FL - USA, Tampa Bay by Night | For | |
| Philadelphia, PA - USA, Honor in the Shadows | Against | |
| Evansville, IN - USA, Paradise Lost | For | |
| Bartow, FL - USA, Polk County Prophecies | Against | |
| Cedar Rapids, IA - USA, Five Nights | Against | |
| Philadelphia, PA - USA, Nusquam | For | |
| Fredericksburg, VA - USA, Caine's Chosen: Liberty in Death | Abstain | I'm still not certain the wording in this prop creates the right effect. I want to vote for the idea of it. But that still punish a player when they transfer out a of bad game or with a weak administrative side. I'd prefer a small window to edit XP in the newly transfer to Chronicle. Three months seems to be a a standard window for things on OWBN. |
| Plainfield, IL - USA, Obsidian Shadows | Against | There is nothing to prevent ST's of the home chronicle to alter a PC's XP, and nothing can be done about it after transfer without lengthy procedure |
| Norwalk, CT - USA, Rails of Revolution | Against | |
| San Francisco, CA - USA, Always Comes Evening | Against | While we would support controls for backdating XP, the requirement that the previous ST also approve means that it would be impossible to fix issues with transfer in the case of a hostile or non-responsive former ST staff. As a result, my game has asked me to vote no. |
| Atlanta, GA - USA, Whispers of Atlanta | For | |
| Griffin, GA - USA, Immortal Nights Theater | Against | |
| Cleveland, OH - USA, Carpe Noctum | For | |
| Dayton, OH - USA, Dying Embers | Against | |
| Orland Park, IL - USA, Enigmas of Rage | Against | |
| Brasília, DF - Brazil, Pacis Aeternae | For | |
| Allentown, PA - USA, Steel Valley by Night | Against | |
| Cincinnati, OH - USA, Shadows of Cincinnati | Against | The prop no longer contains a methodology for by Exec when the STs can not reach a conclusion and that is part of the reason for the transfer in the first place. |
| Madison, Wi - USA, Black Crusade | For | |
| Lancaster, OH - USA, Never Ending Nights | For | Per HST Request |
| Columbus, OH - USA, Columbus in Darkness | For | |
| Ouro Preto, MG - Brazil, Dying of the Light | For | |
| Portland, ME - USA, Blackened Veins | For | Per staff input. |
| Lewiston/Auburn, ME - USA, Shadows and Light | For | |
| Lexington, KY - USA, Panders Playground | Against | |
| Gary, IN - USA, Shattered Souls | For | |
| Springfield, IL - USA, Capitol City Cauldron | Against | This is needed, but still needs more work. This comment has been revised 1 time. Click here to see revision history Version 2 dated: Jul 10 2018, 9:58pm EDT This is needed, but still needs more work. |
| Savannah, GA - USA, City of Shadows | For | |
| Washington, DC - USA, Shadows on the Mall | Abstain | |
| Kenosha, WI - USA, Memento Mori | For | |
| Boston, MA - USA, Reclaimed | Against | |
| Rio de Janeiro, RJ - Brazil, City of Wonders | For | |
| Los Angeles, CA - USA, Dark Side of the Moon | Abstain | |
| Green Bay, WI - USA, Shattered Dreams | Against | 9 times out of 10 the reason for a transfer is due to difficulties with the current ST(s), who may also begrudge the player, which would make transferring out a bigger headache than it should be. I disagree with tying the hands of the new staff by saying they can't give backdated xp that their game allows, without permission from the old staff. That said, I agree that it should be a limited amount, as giving hundreds of xp in a backdate should not happen. |
| Columbus, OH - USA, Wyld Prophets | For | |
| New Orleans, LA - USA, Long Night | Against | |
| Athens, GA - USA, Athens After Dark | Against | |
| St. Augustine, FL - USA, On Haunted Ground | For | |
| Rohnert Park, CA - USA, Shadows Crossing | Against | |
| Ann Arbor, MI - USA, Tower of Broken Glass | For | It's a start. We have a long way to go for this, and nothing is preventing home games from backdating XP. This comment has been revised 2 times. Click here to see revision history Version 1 dated: Jul 09 2018, 8:59am EDT It's a start. We have a long way to go for this, and nothing is preventing home games from backdating XP. Version 2 dated: Jul 09 2018, 9:15am EDT It's a start. We have a long way to go for this, and nothing is preventing home games from backdating XP. Version 3 dated: Jul 13 2018, 9:29am EDT It's a start. We have a long way to go for this, and nothing is preventing home games from backdating XP. |
| Annapolis, MD - USA, Vitae Aeternus | For | |
| Springfield, OH - USA, Ohio Knights Sabbat | Against | I am against on the basis that if the game the person is transferring from is part of the 'problem' so to speak, there is no remedy built in. I would vote in favor if mediation were permitted should the parties not agree. |
| Phoenix, AZ - USA, Unchained Arizona | For | |
| Chicago, IL - USA, New Moon Rising | For | It is a good start, and specific enough to still be accountable so long as people keep records for, forever. Although specificly address not being allowed to provide awards Predating a character transfer. But still allows chronicles to aware previous XP for any number of valid reasons. |
| Worcester County, MA - USA, Quabbin | Against | If the kind of disagreement that has two staffs arguing over a transfer's xp is already present, that should be an issue for exec mediation, not Council. This comment has been revised 1 time. Click here to see revision history Version 1 dated: Jul 10 2018, 7:51pm EDT If the kind of disagreement that has two staffs arguing over a transfer's xp is already present, that should be an issue for exec mediation, not Council. Version 2 dated: Jul 14 2018, 12:41am EDT If the kind of disagreement that has two staffs arguing over a transfer's xp is already present, that should be an issue for exec mediation, not Council. |
| Gainesville, FL - USA, Won't Back Down | For | |
| Hartford, CT - USA, Dark Colony | Against | |
| New Rochelle, NY - USA, Seasons of Strange | For | |
| Bloomington, IL - USA, Zephyr of Darkness | For | |
| Baltimore, MD - USA, Dark Harbor | For | |
| Salvador, BA - Brazil, Veritas Salvatore | For | |
| Lancaster, OH - USA, Webs of Fate | For | |
| Tampa, FL - USA, Orlando: Magic Kingdom | For | Per player vote |
I am still waiting for the staff to choose my replacement and to tell me how to vote on this in the meantime.