[Bylaw Amendment] Path of Levinbolt Administration (again)
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Proposal Type: Bylaw Revision
Opened: 04-Feb-2015 12:00AM EST
Closing: 11-Feb-2015 12:00AM EST
I, Alex Rushing (Tremere Coordinator) Bill Jackson, CM for L'ange Noir propose that the Path of Levinbolt be considered proprietary to hermetic Thaumaturgy .
Justification
The Path of Levinbolt is listed as purely a Tremere creation in all published Dark Ages and Revised materials. It was included in a previous blood magic packet for Assamite Sorcery, but removed by the Assamite Coordinator when it was determined not to be appropriate to the paradigm.
Path of Levinbolt is one of the most highly coveted - and restricted - combat powers in the org, to such an extent that an org-wide meme exists about requesting the path frivolously. Less than five active PCs in OWbN possess Path of Levinbolt.
No rogue Thaumaturgist PC or NPC possesses Path of Levinbolt.
No Anarch PC or NPC possesses Path of Levinbolt.
Existing Assamite Sorcerers whose possession of Path of Levinbolt was previously grandfathered shall retain the path. Those characters who possess Path of Levinbolt due to infernal investments shall retain the path.
THEREFORE
Coordinator Bylaw 3Cii6aviII will be changed from
The following are exclusive to Hermetic Thaumaturgy:
1. Path of Mercury
2. Thaumaturgical Countermagic
to
The following are exclusive to Hermetic Thaumaturgy:
1. Path of Levinbolt
2. Path of Mercury
3. Thaumaturgical Countermagic
I'm proposing this because several chronicles mentioned that they would be willing to vote for it if propped by a chronicle, as they feel that it was not legal for Alex to have done so.
Bill J
CM - L'Ange Noir - Iowa City, IA
CM - L'Ange Noir - Iowa City, IA
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85 out of 159 eligible voters cast their ballot
Against
45% (38 votes)
For
38% (32 votes)
Abstain
18% (15 votes)
| Chronicle/Position | Voted for | Comment |
|---|---|---|
| Dubuque, IA - USA, Kingdom of Ashes | For | You know that feeling you get when you're comfy in bed and ready to go to sleep, and then you get like a just slightly annoying itch somewhere. So you lay in motionless for a minute or so while you try to ignore it so you can just go to sleep, but while it's not like super itchy, it's just enough that you can't force it out of your mind. Then you have to move and no longer be comfortable just to scratch it? Yea, I hate that too. |
| New York City, NY - USA, Kings of New York | Against | In canon, Levinbolt's rarity is supposed to be a function of it's relatively useless nature in the modern nights. However, in the org Levinbolt is sought after fanatically due to the differences in genre between the org and canon. The act of heavily restricting Levinbolt is essentially trying to enforce one genre, while playing in an entirely separate one. This proposal would only serve to solidify those restrictions, and as such I cannot support it. This comment has been revised 1 time. Click here to see revision history Version 2 dated: Feb 04 2015, 8:05pm EST In canon, Levinbolt's rarity is supposed to be a function of it's relatively useless nature in the modern nights. However, in the org Levinbolt is sought after fanatically due to the differences in genre between the org and canon. The act of heavily restricting Levinbolt is essentially trying to enforce one genre, while playing in an entirely separate one. This proposal would only serve to solidify those restrictions, and as such I cannot support it. |
| St. Louis, MO - USA, Shadows of St. Louis | Against | |
| Los Angeles, CA - USA, La Sangre De Los Angeles | For | |
| São Paulo, SP - Brazil, São Paulo by Night | For | |
| Rockland, NY - USA, Under The Rock | Against | It is obvious that the Tremere Coord who made this proposal first, and those supporting it, believe his office is the only one capable of delegating and monitoring such powerful materials. Heaven's forbid these 3(now) paths ever get into the hands of a non Tremere! Why then, the Tremere might be less important... It is SOOOO hilarious, how in a totally out of character way, this is playing Vampire. In Revised the Tremere were the Keepers of all the Thaumz. Now as an org, when we try to move forward with the 2015 genre that Onyx Path has written, the spread of Anarch Sorcery is getting blocked OOC BEFORE it even has a chance to be Blocked IC. Typical..... |
| Bloomington, IN - USA, Fallen Idols | For | |
| Saint Paul, MN - USA, Obsidian Towers | For | |
| Detroit, MI - USA, Motor City Monsters | Abstain | |
| Curitiba, PR - Brazil, Curitiba By Night | Abstain | |
| La Crosse, WI - USA, The Rivers Edge | For | |
| Iowa City, IA - USA, Fields of Rage | For | |
| Cape Cod, MA - USA, Rage Across the Cape | Abstain | |
| Berkeley, CA - USA, Wasting the Dawn | For | |
| Milwaukee, WI - USA, Nocturnal Rapture | For | |
| Peoria, IL - USA, The Shattered Mirror | Against | |
| Martinsburg, WV - USA, Martinsburg by Night | Abstain | |
| Decatur, IL - USA, The Chaos Within | Abstain | |
| Tampa, FL - USA, Tampa Bay by Night | For | Levinbolt = RP |
| Philadelphia, PA - USA, Honor in the Shadows | Against | |
| Evansville, IN - USA, Paradise Lost | Against | |
| Cleveland, OH - USA, Under an Eerie Moon | Abstain | |
| Cedar Rapids, IA - USA, Five Nights | For | |
| João Pessoa, PB - Brazil, Eternal Shadows | Against | |
| Sacramento, CA - USA, Sacramento By Night | For | |
| Duluth, MN - USA, Thicker than Blood | Against | There hasn't been sufficient need evidenced to add this to the bylaws other than heresay. |
| Chicago, IL - USA, Dark Requiem | For | This vote presented without comment. |
| Fredericksburg, VA - USA, Caine's Chosen: Liberty in Death | Abstain | |
| Plainfield, IL - USA, Obsidian Shadows | For | |
| Indianapolis, IN - USA, Stars Never Rise | Against | |
| Auburn, CA - USA, Lux Tenebras | Against | |
| Cedar Falls, IA - USA, Blackhawk Co. by Night | For | |
| San Francisco, CA - USA, Always Comes Evening | For | Subject to change. |
| Providence, RI - USA, Hidden Flame | Abstain | |
| Atlanta, GA - USA, Whispers of Atlanta | Against | |
| Cleveland, OH - USA, Carpe Noctum | Against | |
| Orland Park, IL - USA, Enigmas of Rage | Abstain | |
| Allentown, PA - USA, Steel Valley by Night | Against | Per additional player comments and concerns. This comment has been revised 2 times. Click here to see revision history Version 1 dated: Feb 05 2015, 12:52am EST So I was going to put my money where my mouth is and vote yes. Then I read Keno's comments and liked the cut of their jib! That being said, I still think we should just move this path to disallowed and let no one have the Palpatine chub. So... Rather than going totally back on my previous thought process, I'm abstaining. Its not a no; it's not a yes. ...But it's a vote! Version 2 dated: Feb 05 2015, 1:20am EST So I was going to put my money where my mouth is and vote yes. Then I read Keno's comments and liked the cut of their jib! That being said, I still think we should just move this path to disallowed and let no one have the Palpatine club. So... Rather than going totally back on my previous thought process, I'm abstaining. Its not a no; it's not a yes. ...But it's a vote! Version 3 dated: Feb 10 2015, 1:33pm EST Per additional player comments and concerns. |
| Macon, GA - USA, Stolen Hours | Against | We do not believe in the assumption idea that 'Path of Levinbolt is proprietary to hermetic Thaumaturgy .' Other paradigms have legitimately exhibited powers which dispute this idea. |
| Recife, PE - Brazil, Pernambuco by Night: Forever Haunted | For | |
| Cincinnati, OH - USA, Shadows of Cincinnati | For | |
| Porto Alegre, RS - Brazil, Eternal Blood | Against | |
| Cleveland, OH - USA, Heartland Alliance | For | |
| Columbus, OH - USA, Columbus in Darkness | For | |
| Denver, CO - USA, Front Range Sabbat | Against | |
| Ouro Preto, MG - Brazil, Dying of the Light | Against | |
| Portland, ME - USA, Blackened Veins | For | |
| Lewiston/Auburn, ME - USA, Shadows and Light | Abstain | |
| Lexington, KY - USA, Panders Playground | For | |
| Springfield, IL - USA, Capitol City Cauldron | For | |
| Savannah, GA - USA, City of Shadows | Against | |
| Alto Tietê, SP - Brazil, Sang Royal | Against | |
| Vale do Paraíba, SP - Brazil, Vale Sangrento | Against | |
| Washington, DC - USA, Shadows on the Mall | For | Players' commentary |
| Amador, CA - USA, River of Shadows | For | |
| Kenosha, WI - USA, Memento Mori | Against | This prop was initially put up to stop the Anarch Coord from trying to adopt this path into Anarch Sorcery as its presented in Onyx Path materials. Geoff has stated on Council he will not utilize this path in his revision of the withdrawn packet. So, at this point, this proposal really only prevents us from ever using the OP material as presented. While I was vocally against the everything at once presentation of the Anarch Sorcery material, a blanket ban from its future consideration is also something I'm not comfortable with. However, it really doesn't bother me terribly if this comes to pass. This comment has been revised 1 time. Click here to see revision history Version 1 dated: Feb 04 2015, 10:42am EST This prop was initially put up to stop the Anarch Coord from trying to adopt this path into Anarch Sorcery as its presented in Onyx Path materials. Geoff has stated on Council he will not utilize this path in his revision of the withdrawn packet. So, at this point, this proposal really only prevents us from ever using the OP material as presented. While I was vocally against the everything at once presentation of the Anarch Sorcery material, a blanket ban from its future consideration is also something I'm not comfortable with. However, it really doesn't bother me terribly if this comes to pass. Version 2 dated: Feb 05 2015, 9:12am EST This prop was initially put up to stop the Anarch Coord from trying to adopt this path into Anarch Sorcery as its presented in Onyx Path materials. Geoff has stated on Council he will not utilize this path in his revision of the withdrawn packet. So, at this point, this proposal really only prevents us from ever using the OP material as presented. While I was vocally against the everything at once presentation of the Anarch Sorcery material, a blanket ban from its future consideration is also something I'm not comfortable with. However, it really doesn't bother me terribly if this comes to pass. |
| Rio de Janeiro, RJ - Brazil, City of Wonders | Abstain | |
| Green Bay, WI - USA, Shattered Dreams | Against | |
| Columbus, OH - USA, Wyld Prophets | Abstain | |
| New Orleans, LA - USA, Long Night | Against | |
| Bridgewater, MA - USA, Into The Darkness: Sabbat | Against | |
| Athens, GA - USA, Athens After Dark | Against | Player feedback |
| Natal, RN - Brazil, Legacy of Blood | Against | |
| Gimli, MB - Canada, Sang Nordique | For | |
| Iowa City, IA - USA, L'Ange Noir | For | |
| St. Augustine, FL - USA, On Haunted Ground | Against | |
| Rohnert Park, CA - USA, Shadows Crossing | For | |
| Ann Arbor, MI - USA, Tower of Broken Glass | Against | See Duluth. |
| Northern Virginia, VA - USA, Night Falls | Against | Not that it matters the Tremere Cord is just getting what he wants from some odd concept of a power race. Yes it is rare is it OWNED by the Tremere in canon, not that I can see. Anyway, enjoy. |
| Annapolis, MD - USA, Vitae Aeternus | Against | Per player feedback |
| Bradenton, FL - USA, Chaos & Entropy | Against | Ditto Keno |
| Springfield, OH - USA, Ohio Knights Sabbat | For | |
| Edwardsville, IL - USA, Caught in Eternal Twilight | Against | |
| Phoenix, AZ - USA, Unchained Arizona | Against | |
| Chicago, IL - USA, New Moon Rising | For | |
| Lakeland, FL - USA, Lagos de los Muertos | Abstain | |
| Pernambuco, PE - Brazil, Pernambuco Imortal, The Land of Chaos | Against | |
| Gainesville, FL - USA, Won't Back Down | Against | |
| Hartford, CT - USA, Dark Colony | Against | |
| Vale do Itajaí, SC - Brazil, Fear of the Dark | Abstain | |
| Indianapolis, IN - USA, Past is Prologue | Against | |
| Lancaster, OH - USA, Mountains Dark Heart | Against | |
| New Rochelle, NY - USA, Seasons of Strange | For | Yep, good with this now. Thanks for repropping appropriately. |
| Baltimore, MD - USA, Dark Harbor | Abstain | |
| AHC 2 | For |
In canon, Levinbolt's rarity is supposed to be a function of it's relatively useless nature in the modern nights. However, in the org Levinbolt is sought after fanatically due to the differences in genre between the org and canon. The act of heavily restricting Levinbolt is essentially trying to enforce one genre, while playing in an entirely separate one. This proposal would only serve to solidify those restrictions, and as such I cannot support it.