[R&U BYLAW AMENDMENT][AUTOPASS] PC Supernatural to Wraith to Change to Coord Approva
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Proposal Type: Bylaw Revision
Opened: 23-May-2014 12:00AM EDT
Closing: 30-May-2014 12:00AM EDT
This proposal has been objected to by Fields of Rage, Hidden Flame, Front Range Sabbat, and Sacramento by Night . As such, it is being brought to Council Vote.
OWBN's Coordinator Bylaws, 3.C.iii. state: "Genre Coordinators must pass before Council any plot, enforced policy, R&U named characters, or binding edict they wish to use which they can reasonably expect to affect multiple chronicles and these proposals need not be seconded, but go immediately into discussion."
I Christian Debats, in my duties as Wraith Coordinator do hereby propose the following change to the Rare and Unusual bylaws.
Place “PC Supernatural to Wraith” in 3.D.1
Due to the feedback from the survey our HC has gotten from players, STs, CMs, and Coords; I see no reason to bog council down with this type of vote. The Wraith coordinator is placed in office in order to make determinations regarding the Wraith genre. While it should obviously be a rare occurrence for a Supernatural character to become a wraith, that such determination for NPCs is already within the purview of this office, and we suggest that the knowledge and skill with which to make this determination regarding PCs also exists within this office.
Note: I would require the support of the PC’s home HST and the HST of the game the PC died in if applicable.
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72 out of 160 eligible voters cast their ballot
Against
60% (43 votes)
For
32% (23 votes)
Abstain
8% (6 votes)
| Chronicle/Position | Voted for | Comment |
|---|---|---|
| Dubuque, IA - USA, Kingdom of Ashes | For | |
| New York City, NY - USA, Kings of New York | Against | |
| Los Angeles, CA - USA, La Sangre De Los Angeles | Against | |
| Rockland, NY - USA, Under The Rock | Against | per Staff input. |
| Saint Paul, MN - USA, Obsidian Towers | For | |
| Detroit, MI - USA, Motor City Monsters | For | |
| Curitiba, PR - Brazil, Curitiba By Night | Abstain | |
| La Crosse, WI - USA, The Rivers Edge | For | |
| Iowa City, IA - USA, Fields of Rage | Against | |
| Buffalo, NY - USA, Frozen Queen | Abstain | |
| Cape Cod, MA - USA, Rage Across the Cape | Against | |
| Berkeley, CA - USA, Wasting the Dawn | Against | |
| Peoria, IL - USA, The Shattered Mirror | For | |
| Martinsburg, WV - USA, Martinsburg by Night | Against | |
| Decatur, IL - USA, The Chaos Within | Against | |
| Tampa, FL - USA, Tampa Bay by Night | For | I want my dead PC back, so I'm voting yes! <== See what I did there? |
| Philadelphia, PA - USA, Honor in the Shadows | For | |
| Bartow, FL - USA, Polk County Prophecies | Against | |
| Cedar Rapids, IA - USA, Five Nights | Against | |
| Sacramento, CA - USA, Sacramento By Night | Against | |
| Fredericksburg, VA - USA, Caine's Chosen: Liberty in Death | For | |
| Plainfield, IL - USA, Obsidian Shadows | For | |
| Indianapolis, IN - USA, Stars Never Rise | Against | |
| Winona, MN - USA, Winona Dark Haven | For | |
| Sorocaba, SP - Brazil, Sorocaba by Night: The Abyss Within | For | |
| Cedar Falls, IA - USA, Blackhawk Co. by Night | Against | |
| Norwalk, CT - USA, Rails of Revolution | Against | I trust the current coord, but I am uncomfortable with the lack of rules for conversion of a PC supernatural into a Wraith. |
| San Francisco, CA - USA, Always Comes Evening | Against | |
| Atlanta, GA - USA, Whispers of Atlanta | Abstain | |
| Fargo, ND - USA, Within Shadow's Reach | Against | |
| Dayton, OH - USA, Dying Embers | For | |
| Allentown, PA - USA, Steel Valley by Night | Against | While it should potentially be possible for the story of a PC to continue after death, there are wildly varied opinions on what should happen to the sheet of any PC that dies and becomes a wraith. Were this prop to set standards in addition to the R&U change, we would give further consideration. As it stands, there are too many what if's and not enough answers set in stone for us to support this prop. |
| Macon, GA - USA, Stolen Hours | Against | |
| Recife, PE - Brazil, Pernambuco by Night: Forever Haunted | For | |
| Winchester, VA: Sins in the Valley | For | |
| Cincinnati, OH - USA, Shadows of Cincinnati | Against | |
| Lancaster, OH - USA, Never Ending Nights | Against | |
| Cleveland, OH - USA, Heartland Alliance | For | |
| Columbus, OH - USA, Columbus in Darkness | For | |
| Denver, CO - USA, Front Range Sabbat | Against | Good god no. |
| Portland, ME - USA, Blackened Veins | Against | Per the wishes of staff and players. |
| Lewiston/Auburn, ME - USA, Shadows and Light | Against | |
| Lexington, KY - USA, Panders Playground | Against | We do not support the idea of a single office being in charge of recycling every character that dies, especially with the proposed change to Risen side by side. We believe it would not be long before the standard lifecycle of a character became: Supernatural X > Wraith > Risen. This comment has been revised 1 time. Click here to see revision history Version 2 dated: May 29 2014, 8:42am EDT We do not support the idea of a single office being in charge of recycling every character that dies, especially with the proposed change to Risen side by side. We believe it would not be long before the standard lifecycle of a character became: Supernatural X > Wraith > Risen. |
| Pittsburgh, PA - USA, Rage Across Three Rivers | Against | |
| Savannah, GA - USA, City of Shadows | Abstain | |
| Alto Tietê, SP - Brazil, Sang Royal | For | |
| Washington, DC - USA, Shadows on the Mall | Against | |
| Phoenix, AZ - USA, Secundus Surrectum | Against | We feel that such a momentous event should be run through council. |
| Amador, CA - USA, River of Shadows | Against | |
| Kenosha, WI - USA, Memento Mori | For | |
| Boston, MA - USA, Reclaimed | Against | |
| Green Bay, WI - USA, Shattered Dreams | For | As per the R&U, Christian already has the ability to make this call for NPC or PC to NPC status. Green Bay Shattered dreams feels that he should have the same authority when it comes to PC supernatural to PC wraith. This comment has been revised 1 time. Click here to see revision history Version 1 dated: May 24 2014, 8:24am EDT As per the R&U, Christian already has the ability to make this call for NPC or PC to NPC status. Green Bay Shattered dreams feels that he should have the same authority when it comes to PC supernatural to PC wraith. Version 2 dated: May 25 2014, 10:19pm EDT As per the R&U, Christian already has the ability to make this call for NPC or PC to NPC status. Green Bay Shattered dreams feels that he should have the same authority when it comes to PC supernatural to PC wraith. |
| Bridgewater, MA - USA, Into The Darkness: Sabbat | For | |
| Athens, GA - USA, Athens After Dark | Against | |
| Natal, RN - Brazil, Legacy of Blood | Against | |
| Harrisonburg, VA: Death in the Valley | Abstain | |
| Gimli, MB - Canada, Sang Nordique | Against | There's really too much potential for abuse. Council oversight is necessary for something as contentious as essentially a form of resurrection. |
| Iowa City, IA - USA, L'Ange Noir | Against | I do not see voting on these types of conversions to be a burden on Council. If people are discouraged from trying to convert their dead Vampire into a Wraith because they don't think it'll pass muster, that's a feature not a bug. |
| St. Augustine, FL - USA, On Haunted Ground | Against | |
| Rohnert Park, CA - USA, Shadows Crossing | Against | |
| Northern Virginia, VA - USA, Night Falls | Against | |
| Annapolis, MD - USA, Vitae Aeternus | Against | Subject to change with player input. |
| Bradenton, FL - USA, Chaos & Entropy | For | If we trust the Wraith Coord to make the decision to turn a PC supernatural into an NPC wraith upon it&#039;s death, we should trust that office holder to turn a PC supernatural into a PC wraith as well. This comment has been revised 2 times. Click here to see revision history Version 1 dated: May 24 2014, 8:42pm EDT If we trust the Wraith Coord to make the decision to turn a PC supernatural into an NPC wraith upon it's death, we should trust that office holder to turn a PC supernatural into a PC wraith as well. Version 2 dated: May 26 2014, 4:56pm EDT If we trust the Wraith Coord to make the decision to turn a PC supernatural into an NPC wraith upon it's death, we should trust that office holder to turn a PC supernatural into a PC wraith as well. Version 3 dated: May 29 2014, 12:40pm EDT If we trust the Wraith Coord to make the decision to turn a PC supernatural into an NPC wraith upon it&#039;s death, we should trust that office holder to turn a PC supernatural into a PC wraith as well. |
| Edwardsville, IL - USA, Caught in Eternal Twilight | Abstain | |
| Phoenix, AZ - USA, Unchained Arizona | Against | |
| Chicago, IL - USA, New Moon Rising | For | |
| Lakeland, FL - USA, Lagos de los Muertos | For | |
| Gainesville, FL - USA, Won't Back Down | Against | |
| Hartford, CT - USA, Dark Colony | Against | |
| Vale do Itajaí, SC - Brazil, Fear of the Dark | Against | |
| Baltimore, MD - USA, Dark Harbor | Against | |
| AHC 1 | Against | While the spirit of this prop is not something I am against, it's the concept presented. Several issues would need acknowledged and redefined to a proper Org standard. Character creation that doesn't take away from established Wraith players who did not start off from another genre. In spirit of respecting a player's genre and not dropping newborn wraiths with 100s of abilities and other various traits right in the middle of their genre, I am against this prop. If one of these player characters were vanquished in player versus player, they get to come back as a wraith with mitigated loss by losing only their disciplines potentially? Absolutely absurd. Too much faith is expected from this prop for the little detailing it provides. Wraith was not intended to be the transitional genre for players who lost their characters simply because it is rare possibility. Vampire players need a vote to change their clan. Why shouldn't they require a vote to change entity type? |
We do not support the idea of a single office being in charge of recycling every character that dies, especially with the proposed change to Risen side by side. We believe it would not be long before the standard lifecycle of a character became: Supernatural X > Wraith > Risen.