R&U add Garou Kliave Smiths as Rare Clasification
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Proposal Type: Bylaw Revision
Opened: 10-Apr-2009 1:00AM EDT
Closing: 11-Apr-2009 1:00AM EDT
As RAtC's CM I hereby Propose the following:
Garou Klaivesmiths as Rare Clasification.
iii. Rare:
1. PC: Majority Vote, NPC: Notification to Council
a. Includes characters of small groups and bloodlines
b. Characters of a power level where free inter-game interaction could become a concern.
c. Characters of types considered fringe to a main genre.
RAtC defines Garou Klaivesmiths as Both B and C.
Garou should be unable to work with Silver while smithing because of the Garou wide Flaw.
It also creates a balancing aspect between Garou and Kinfolk.
We would also like to request no Grandfathering with this Prop.
Add to C. Rare Chart
Garou Klaive Smiths
Mike Leitao
HST/CM RAtC
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| Chronicle/Position | Voted for | Comment |
|---|---|---|
| Carbondale, IL, USA: Forgotten Court | Abstain | |
| Dubuque, IA - USA, Kingdom of Ashes | Abstain | This is something for those folks with the furry fetishes... |
| St. Louis, MO - USA, Shadows of St. Louis | Abstain | |
| Campinas, SP - Brazil, Império das Cinzas | For | |
| Rio Grande, RS - Brazil, Sobre a Areia Sempre Hostil | Abstain | |
| Bloomington, IN - USA, Fallen Idols | Abstain | |
| Mt. Dora, FL - USA, Mutual Alliance | Abstain | Pending Wasta's vote, so I can make sure to take the opposite stance. |
| Sheboygan, WI - USA, Blood on the Lake | Abstain | I want to vote against this. But, we're a vampire game. |
| Fortaleza, CE - Brazil, Land of The Sun | Abstain | |
| La Crosse, WI - USA, The Rivers Edge | For | Although not a vamp issue, this was discussed in depth on council. The concerns and reasoning are valid enough to support the prop. |
| Iowa City, IA - USA, Fields of Rage | Against | Reword and prop a better defined version. |
| Cape Cod, MA - USA, Rage Across the Cape | For | The wording being proposed is far to complicated and difficult, if a garou smiths a klaive then they should post to r&u, the grandfathering goes to the ability not past klaives so it doesnt need to be red lined. You all agree it needs to be R&U adding paragraphs upon paragraphs defining it will clog up the bylaws and goes against everything we've done to clean them up |
| Berkeley, CA - USA, Wasting the Dawn | Abstain | We're a vampire game. |
| Milwaukee, WI - USA, Nocturnal Rapture | Abstain | Garou genre not Vamp genre |
| Decatur, IL - USA, The Chaos Within | Abstain | |
| Tampa, FL - USA, Tampa Bay by Night | Abstain | |
| Philadelphia, PA - USA, Honor in the Shadows | Against | Our game supports the spirit but wants a different wording in regards to grandfathering for the sake of chron sov. The HST of chicago has a well worded prop we would support with the appropriate spirit in mind. |
| Cleveland, OH - USA, An Uncertain Destiny | Against | There are other ways to go about this and we would support some of the recommended revisions. However, there is no official outline stated of what a ''Garou Klaive Smith'' is listed (and how they are classified other than Garou that make Klaives) and the fact that a call for no grandfathering makes us unhappy. The officially stated reason above outlines the Garou and Silver issue. Why not make Garou Silver Smiths R&U instead if that's the reason? What about those with Silver Tolerance as a Merit? There was a lot of chatter on ST/Council regarding this but no ammending of the prop was ever done. In it's current incarnation we cannot support this proposal. |
| Cedar Rapids, IA - USA, Five Nights | Abstain | We play vampire. We don't have these things. |
| Sacramento, CA - USA, Sacramento By Night | Abstain | |
| Chicago, IL - USA, Dark Requiem | Against | |
| Plainfield, IL - USA, Obsidian Shadows | Abstain | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Abstain | |
| Orange County, CA: Muerte Libre | Abstain | Not our flavor of furry... |
| Indianapolis, IN - USA, Stars Never Rise | Abstain | 1) I'm conflicted.2) It's a werewolf thing, and largely none of Indy's affair. |
| Winona, MN - USA, Winona Dark Haven | Abstain | |
| Auburn, CA - USA, Lux Tenebras | Against | |
| San Francisco, CA - USA, Always Comes Evening | Abstain | Per player input, we are trying to let Garou games decide. |
| Providence, RI - USA, Hidden Flame | Against | Clint has a workable prop that actually defines the problem and solves it. This is not a bad idea per-say, but the wording does not properly handle the problem |
| Atlanta, GA - USA, Whispers of Atlanta | Abstain | Lupine Issue. |
| Allentown, PA - USA, Steel Valley by Night | Abstain | |
| Cincinnati, OH - USA, Shadows of Cincinnati | Abstain | |
| Portland, ME - USA, Blackened Veins | Against | While it is a Garou issue, it sounds like a little work on the wording would make a lot more people happy with this. At which point I would be more than happy to either Abstain or maybe even support this prop. |
| Lexington, KY - USA, Panders Playground | Abstain | Not a Vamp thing...staying out of it. |
| Phoenix, AZ - USA, Secundus Surrectum | Abstain | |
| Green Bay, WI - USA, Shattered Dreams | Abstain | |
| New Orleans, LA - USA, Long Night | Abstain | grrrrr thing |
| St. Augustine, FL - USA, On Haunted Ground | Abstain | |
| Rohnert Park, CA - USA, Shadows Crossing | Abstain | Per player input. Shadow's Crossing has no opinion on this matter that we're aware of. :) |
| Chicago, IL - USA, New Moon Rising | Against | The wording on this prop is far too open-ended. |
| Aracati | Abstain | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | Poor wording nad a better draft has been submitted and discussed amongst the garou staff members. |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | Poor wording nad a better draft has been submitted and discussed amongst the garou staff members. |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Abstain | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Abstain | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Abstain | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Abstain | |
| Reclamation | Against | The game is in favor of the intent of the prop, just not the way it is written. The game is against the prop as long as the ''no grandfathering'' clause is in it, as a matter of principle and chronicle sovereignty. |