Inner Circle Addition to the Bylaws
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Proposal Type: Bylaw Revision
Opened: 10-Sep-2004 1:00AM EDT
Closing: 10-Sep-2004 1:00AM EDT
I recommed the following be added to the Character Regulation Bylaws.
Proposal
The Inner Council
As there are no fixed set of coordinators that represent the Inner Circle in OWBN, the OWBN Council will vote on all decisions that would originate from the Inner Circle. Such decisions include but not necessarily be limited to:
Appointment of Justicars.
Declaring a Kindred Anathema.
Appointment of Alastars that have not felled an Anathema.
The awarding of Trophies to Alastars.
Punishment of any Alastar.
Steve Sartain
Cambridge, England
Cambridge After Dark HST
Cambridge After Dark CM
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1 out of 155 eligible voters cast their ballot
Against
77% (54 votes)
For
17% (12 votes)
Abstain
6% (4 votes)
| Chronicle/Position | Voted for | Comment |
|---|---|---|
| St. Petersburg, FL - USA, Faces of Change | Against | |
| Saint Paul, MN - USA, Obsidian Towers | Against | |
| Stockton, CA - USA, Stockton by Night | Against | |
| Philadelphia, PA - USA, Nusquam | Against | |
| Indianapolis, IN - USA, Stars Never Rise | Against | This proposal is not only redundant, but stupid to put into place. If this continues to be a problem AFTER the Camerialla Coord is put into place, then thats fine re-propose this, but until then.. I don't want too look at it again. |
| Winona, MN - USA, Winona Dark Haven | Against | With the position of Cam Coord, this should be taken care of. If this issue isn't resolved with that Coord, then worry about a vote on this. |
| Auburn, CA - USA, Lux Tenebras | For | |
| Norwalk, CT - USA, Rails of Revolution | For | |
| San Francisco, CA - USA, Always Comes Evening | Against | |
| Atlanta, GA - USA, Whispers of Atlanta | Against | |
| Fargo, ND - USA, Within Shadow's Reach | Against | |
| Cleveland, OH - USA, Carpe Noctum | Against | |
| Cincinnati, OH - USA, Shadows of Cincinnati | Against | I just voted no on the last proposal that Council would have to vote on any PC that wanted to go Alastor. If I voted yes for this, it would go directly against what I voted on the last one. I appreciate the point being made, however proposing something twice just to try to pass it isn't going to trick me into voting yes. I'm offended. |
| Columbus, OH - USA, Columbus in Darkness | Against | Redundant |
| Washington, DC - USA, Shadows on the Mall | Abstain | With the Camarilla Coordinator position coming up shortly, I'd like to see how that works before comitting to new bylaws. |
| Phoenix, AZ - USA, Secundus Surrectum | Against | |
| Kenosha, WI - USA, Memento Mori | Against | |
| Green Bay, WI - USA, Shattered Dreams | Against | MORE RULES WE NEED MORE RULES |
| Harrisonburg, VA: Death in the Valley | Against | |
| Gimli, MB - Canada, Sang Nordique | Against | We're introducing a Cam Coord for virtually this exact issue. Unless we intend to also take the role of the Sabbat whatever-leadership, and the super-elder garou, I think this isn't necessary. Election of Justicars already comes before us, and anything to do with archons & alastors can be dealt with in other props. |
| Iowa City, IA - USA, L'Ange Noir | Against | |
| Northern Virginia, VA - USA, Night Falls | For | |
| Edwardsville, IL - USA, Caught in Eternal Twilight | For | |
| Head Coord | Abstain | |
| AHC 1 | Against | The Camarilla Coordinator should be able to handle issues regarding the Inner Circle. Chronicles who have an issue with the Camarilla Coordinator's decisions can put up an article 2 vote, or take the matter to council as specified in the Coordinator bylaws. There is a recourse. |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | Hmmm...Shadows has a point... |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | Hmmm...Shadows has a point... |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | For | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | For | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | Is what the Cam coord is supposed to be doing...whenever we get around to electing the poor fool. Add to this I always figured that OWbN COuncil really was the Inner Council. |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | Is what the Cam coord is supposed to be doing...whenever we get around to electing the poor fool. Add to this I always figured that OWbN COuncil really was the Inner Council. |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | Don't we do this anyways? |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | Don't we do this anyways? |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | For | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | For | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | I do like the idea that any appointment, or change in Justicar requires a vote, but since it already requires a genre proposal, any CM has the chance to object and force a vote. The other things explicitly on the list are mostly genre-proposal worthy as it is as well, or already have a procedure attached to them. The only ones that don't are the appointment of Alastors, the Trophy, and the Punishment of Alastors. The first shouldn't really be a problem, since all Alastors are NPCs, whether they start as PCs or not. The only problem would be if the PC didn't kill an Anathema and the player doesn't want his/her PC to be an Alastor, but s/he gets appointed. That shouldn't happen very often, but if it does, I'd be all for the player objecting, and that objection bringing the issue to a vote. The Trophy issue isn't that important, since it's one NPC (the Justicar) giving stuff to another NPC (The Alastor or group of Alastors that took out the Anathema). The last is similar, it's one NPC or group of NPCs punishing an NPC, where's the problem that requires any of these things to be voted on? Honestly, I'm for the Cam Inner Circle being synonymous with the OWBN Council, but against the specific list of things contained in this proposal. This proposal would have been great without the list. |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | I do like the idea that any appointment, or change in Justicar requires a vote, but since it already requires a genre proposal, any CM has the chance to object and force a vote. The other things explicitly on the list are mostly genre-proposal worthy as it is as well, or already have a procedure attached to them. The only ones that don't are the appointment of Alastors, the Trophy, and the Punishment of Alastors. The first shouldn't really be a problem, since all Alastors are NPCs, whether they start as PCs or not. The only problem would be if the PC didn't kill an Anathema and the player doesn't want his/her PC to be an Alastor, but s/he gets appointed. That shouldn't happen very often, but if it does, I'd be all for the player objecting, and that objection bringing the issue to a vote. The Trophy issue isn't that important, since it's one NPC (the Justicar) giving stuff to another NPC (The Alastor or group of Alastors that took out the Anathema). The last is similar, it's one NPC or group of NPCs punishing an NPC, where's the problem that requires any of these things to be voted on? Honestly, I'm for the Cam Inner Circle being synonymous with the OWBN Council, but against the specific list of things contained in this proposal. This proposal would have been great without the list. |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | |
| LONE | Against |