Giovanni Necromancy Packet 2008
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Proposal Type: Genre Packet
Opened: 01-Sep-2008 1:00AM EDT
Closing: 02-Sep-2008 1:00AM EDT
iii) Genre Co-ordinators must pass before Council any plot, enforced policy, or binding edict they wish to use which they can reasonably expect to affect multiple chronicles and these proposals need not be seconded, but go immediately into discussion. (1) If no opposition is voiced during the week of discussion, the proposal is considered passed and enforceable. Once passed these are considered binding to all chronicles and a chronicles refusal to adhere is grounds for OWBN disciplinary measures.
Last time, I think. This one is going to vote. The only difference between this version and the previous is the elimination of Society (Guild) restrictions. This will be reevaluated when a Society subpacket or new Genre packet that includes the Societies in it is passed.
-Wasta
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1 out of 160 eligible voters cast their ballot
Against
44% (36 votes)
For
34% (28 votes)
Abstain
22% (18 votes)
| Chronicle/Position | Voted for | Comment |
|---|---|---|
| Paducah, KY: Edge of Chaos | For | |
| Dubuque, IA - USA, Kingdom of Ashes | Abstain | |
| St. Louis, MO - USA, Shadows of St. Louis | For | Forward steps are better than backwards... And seeing some of the recent events... obviously there are people out there who can't say no or don't know what's going on, thus someone needs to be empowered. |
| Rio Grande, RS - Brazil, Sobre a Areia Sempre Hostil | Abstain | |
| Bloomington, IN - USA, Fallen Idols | Against | |
| La Crosse, WI - USA, The Rivers Edge | Against | Fixing problems later such as the dispute with the KJ coord is not the answer. Understand that it will still be available in the old packet but voting for it's retention is not the right thing. |
| Iowa City, IA - USA, Fields of Rage | Abstain | We see improvements here, but we also see a few things mentioned that should be addressed. |
| Buffalo, NY - USA, Frozen Queen | For | This is an improvement, isn't that enough for now? |
| Cape Cod, MA - USA, Rage Across the Cape | Abstain | |
| Berkeley, CA - USA, Wasting the Dawn | Against | As per representation of Wasting the Dawn's players. |
| Milwaukee, WI - USA, Nocturnal Rapture | Against | |
| Decatur, IL - USA, The Chaos Within | Abstain | |
| Promise, CA: Broken Promises | Against | |
| Cedar Rapids, IA - USA, Five Nights | For | The players and STs in Five Nights have varied opinions on all levels. Some believe the packet feels ''rushed'' with typos and feel some descriptions are incomplete. However, even those ultimately against the packet felt it was a step in the right direction, with the removal of several items being a positive move. Dragon path was also an item of contention, but still an issue with the existing packet. It seems the consensus is that there are some steps forward, so we are giving it a chance. |
| Duluth, MN - USA, Thicker than Blood | For | This packet is better than the old one and is moving in the right direction. Get this one in and start proposing specific changes to it. |
| Plainfield, IL - USA, Obsidian Shadows | For | Wasta, I heart you in all the crazy stuff you do man...but I just printed out the last packet...you couldn't wait like a year or something??? |
| Orange County, CA: Muerte Libre | For | Wasta cites copy/pasted player made rituals being approved in multiple chronicles; his provision closes that loophole. Dragon Path has been in previous verions, and Wasta has repeatedly stated his willingness to work with the KJ Coord on revising it in the future, or coming up with an acceptable substitute. Letting that aspect ride for now while they work on it together is an acceptable compromise. |
| Indianapolis, IN - USA, Stars Never Rise | Against | While an Improvement there are some basic issues that have been voiced in my game. |
| Winona, MN - USA, Winona Dark Haven | Against | |
| Cedar Falls, IA - USA, Blackhawk Co. by Night | For | |
| San Francisco, CA - USA, Always Comes Evening | Abstain | |
| Atlanta, GA - USA, Whispers of Atlanta | Against | |
| Fargo, ND - USA, Within Shadow's Reach | Against | |
| Allentown, PA - USA, Steel Valley by Night | For | |
| Macon, GA - USA, Stolen Hours | For | |
| Winchester, VA: Sins in the Valley | For | I think it is going in the right direction and most of the issue in this version are worse on the current approved version. |
| Cincinnati, OH - USA, Shadows of Cincinnati | Abstain | Awaiting input from players. |
| Gary, IN - USA, Shattered Souls | For | In regards to the Dragon Path and the KJ coord, it has been stated that a revision of the path will be forthcoming and this packet is still marked improvement over the current binding document. |
| Washington, DC - USA, Shadows on the Mall | Against | |
| Phoenix, AZ - USA, Secundus Surrectum | Against | While the proposed packet is an improvement in some ways over the current, refusing to make changes because you publicly put your foot down is inappropriate behavior in the face of the Kuei-jin Coord requesting the removal of Kuei-jin material originally included due to being deceptively presented as uniquely created in the past. Perpetuating something negative does not make it positive. |
| Amador, CA - USA, River of Shadows | Against | Per player vote: They liked some things, but feel that too many new changes that they didn't like would not make things better while the packet was revised again. They would rather see revisions happen, and then vote for a packet that would remain useable for a long time period. So it is clear, it was a close vote, and we went with majority... there are some very good things in the packet that we would like to see in the next revision. |
| Kenosha, WI - USA, Memento Mori | Against | |
| New Orleans, LA - USA, Long Night | Against | |
| Natal, RN - Brazil, Legacy of Blood | Abstain | |
| St. Augustine, FL - USA, On Haunted Ground | Against | I love Wasta, but I share many other's trepidations with the nature of this packet. |
| Annapolis, MD - USA, Vitae Aeternus | For | |
| Edwardsville, IL - USA, Caught in Eternal Twilight | Against | |
| AHC 1 | For | Dragon Path will still be in the old packet anyway. Baby steps are better than no steps at all. Jenn, AHC. |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | Western necromancy is western necromancy. If it affects wraiths its western necromancy. Everything else is ''flavor'' of the same stew. |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | Western necromancy is western necromancy. If it affects wraiths its western necromancy. Everything else is ''flavor'' of the same stew. |
| Reclamation | Abstain | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | Many listed reasons: Don't like the direction of the packet, factually incorrect information being used to give others 'special' necromancy (regardless of what was argued Geomancy and Kabbalah and 'asian thanotology' are skill sets not new ways of looking at Western Necromancy. All of them have Western Necromancy if they have any at all), Kuei Jin path inserted as a Necromancy path that has been addressed prior and never fixed, and too many made up paths and rituals to start. My comments however do not include the others raised on the Council list about how controlling the document is. But I'll let others touch on that since they seem to understand those issues better than I |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | Many listed reasons: Don't like the direction of the packet, factually incorrect information being used to give others 'special' necromancy (regardless of what was argued Geomancy and Kabbalah and 'asian thanotology' are skill sets not new ways of looking at Western Necromancy. All of them have Western Necromancy if they have any at all), Kuei Jin path inserted as a Necromancy path that has been addressed prior and never fixed, and too many made up paths and rituals to start. My comments however do not include the others raised on the Council list about how controlling the document is. But I'll let others touch on that since they seem to understand those issues better than I |