[POLL] Clan Coordinators having in genre PCs

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Proposal Type: Opinion Poll
Opened: 14-Jun-2025 12:00AM EDT
Closing: 28-Jun-2025 12:00AM EDT


This has been an off and on topic over the years and is a question in almost every election that decides many chronicle’s votes. Should Coordinators be permitted to play PCs of the genres they oversee? Many agree this is clear conflict of interest, especially for Clan Coordinators. Most offices have a rule against it.
 
I'd like to gage the org's opinion on this topic. Feel free to discuss here and I'll be opening up two polls for Council to vote on. These polls will be open for two weeks and will decide what bylaws are proposed, if any, about this issue.
 
 
Poll 1: Can Clan Coords and their Teams portray active PCs of the Clans and Bloodlines their office oversees?
1. Up to the Coordinator.
2. The Coord can't, but their subcoords can. 
3. The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee, i.e. Follower of Set subcoord can't play a Follower of Set, but could play a Serpent of the Light.
4. The entire Team cannot.

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Ballot Options
Up to the Coordinator
Coord can't, Subcoords can
The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
The entire Team cannot
Abstain
49 out of 155 eligible voters cast their ballot

Results (using Instant Run-Off):
  1. The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee (64.4%)
  2. Up to the Coordinator
  3. The entire Team cannot
  4. Coord can't, Subcoords can
  5. Abstain
Rounds1234
Up to the Coordinator14141616
Coord can't, Subcoords can7700
The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee13131729
The entire Team cannot1414140
Abstain1000

Event log for this vote:
  • Round 1: Eliminated: Abstain (votes reallocated: 1)
  • Orland Park, IL - USA, Enigmas of Rage's choice (Abstain), was just eliminated. Checking next preferred option for this voter.
  • Round 2: Option Abstain not included because it was previously eliminated
  • Round 2: Eliminated: Coord can't, Subcoords can (votes reallocated: 7)
  • Chicago, IL - USA, Prey to Predator's choice (Coord can't, Subcoords can), was just eliminated. Checking next preferred option for this voter.
  • New York City, NY - USA, Kings of New York's choice (Coord can't, Subcoords can), was just eliminated. Checking next preferred option for this voter.
  • Stockton, CA - USA, Stockton by Night's choice (Coord can't, Subcoords can), was just eliminated. Checking next preferred option for this voter.
  • Cincinnati, OH - USA, Shadows of Cincinnati's choice (Coord can't, Subcoords can), was just eliminated. Checking next preferred option for this voter.
  • Columbus, OH - USA, Wyld Prophets's choice (Coord can't, Subcoords can), was just eliminated. Checking next preferred option for this voter.
  • St. Augustine, FL - USA, On Haunted Ground's choice (Coord can't, Subcoords can), was just eliminated. Checking next preferred option for this voter.
  • Rohnert Park, CA - USA, Shadows Crossing's choice (Coord can't, Subcoords can), was just eliminated. Checking next preferred option for this voter.
  • Round 3: Option Coord can't, Subcoords can not included because it was previously eliminated
  • Round 3: Option Abstain not included because it was previously eliminated
  • Round 3: Vote by Chicago, IL - USA, Prey to Predator for option Abstain not included because option was eliminated. Checking next preferred option for this voter.
  • Round 3: Voter Chicago, IL - USA, Prey to Predator has no available options, as they have all been eliminated.
  • Round 3: Eliminated: The entire Team cannot (votes reallocated: 14)
  • Joinville, SC - Brazil, Danse Macabre's choice (The entire Team cannot), was just eliminated. Checking next preferred option for this voter.
  • Brasília, DF - Brazil, Caldas Novas's choice (The entire Team cannot), was just eliminated. Checking next preferred option for this voter.
  • Los Angeles, CA - USA, La Sangre De Los Angeles's choice (The entire Team cannot), was just eliminated. Checking next preferred option for this voter.
  • Campinas, SP - Brazil, Império das Cinzas's choice (The entire Team cannot), was just eliminated. Checking next preferred option for this voter.
  • Decatur, IL - USA, The Chaos Within's choice (The entire Team cannot), was just eliminated. Checking next preferred option for this voter.
  • Tampa, FL - USA, Tampa Bay by Night's choice (The entire Team cannot), was just eliminated. Checking next preferred option for this voter.
  • Cleveland, OH - USA, An Uncertain Destiny's choice (The entire Team cannot), was just eliminated. Checking next preferred option for this voter.
  • Sacramento, CA - USA, Sacramento By Night's choice (The entire Team cannot), was just eliminated. Checking next preferred option for this voter.
  • Recife, PE - Brazil, Pernambuco by Night: Forever Haunted's choice (The entire Team cannot), was just eliminated. Checking next preferred option for this voter.
  • Gary, IN - USA, Shattered Souls's choice (The entire Team cannot), was just eliminated. Checking next preferred option for this voter.
  • Chicago, IL - USA, New Moon Rising's choice (The entire Team cannot), was just eliminated. Checking next preferred option for this voter.
  • Vale do Itajaí, SC - Brazil, Fear of the Dark's choice (The entire Team cannot), was just eliminated. Checking next preferred option for this voter.
  • Bridgeport, CT - USA, Bridgeport by Night: The Broken City's choice (The entire Team cannot), was just eliminated. Checking next preferred option for this voter.
  • Grady, GA - USA, Whispers of Grady's choice (The entire Team cannot), was just eliminated. Checking next preferred option for this voter.
  • Round 4: Option Coord can't, Subcoords can not included because it was previously eliminated
  • Round 4: Option The entire Team cannot not included because it was previously eliminated
  • Round 4: Option Abstain not included because it was previously eliminated
  • Round 4: Vote by Decatur, IL - USA, The Chaos Within for option Abstain not included because option was eliminated. Checking next preferred option for this voter.
  • Round 4: Voter Decatur, IL - USA, The Chaos Within has no available options, as they have all been eliminated.
  • Round 4: Vote by Recife, PE - Brazil, Pernambuco by Night: Forever Haunted for option Coord can't, Subcoords can not included because option was eliminated. Checking next preferred option for this voter.
  • Round 4: Vote by Chicago, IL - USA, New Moon Rising for option Coord can't, Subcoords can not included because option was eliminated. Checking next preferred option for this voter.
  • Round 4: Vote by Chicago, IL - USA, New Moon Rising for option Abstain not included because option was eliminated. Checking next preferred option for this voter.
  • Round 4: Voter Chicago, IL - USA, New Moon Rising has no available options, as they have all been eliminated.

Chronicle/PositionVoted forComment
Marquette, MI - USA, Shattered Tears over Rural Michigan1st: Up to the Coordinator
2nd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
3rd: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
4th: The entire Team cannot
5th: Abstain
Joinville, SC - Brazil, Danse Macabre1st: The entire Team cannot
2nd: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
3rd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
4th: Up to the Coordinator
5th: Abstain
Brasília, DF - Brazil, Caldas Novas1st: The entire Team cannot
2nd: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
3rd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
4th: Up to the Coordinator
5th: Abstain
Chicago, IL - USA, Prey to Predator1st: Coord can't, Subcoords can
2nd: Abstain
Minneapolis, MN - USA, Swift to Shed Blood1st: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
2nd: The entire Team cannot
3rd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
4th: Up to the Coordinator
5th: Abstain
New York City, NY - USA, Kings of New York1st: Coord can't, Subcoords can
2nd: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
3rd: Up to the Coordinator
4th: The entire Team cannot
5th: Abstain
Los Angeles, CA - USA, La Sangre De Los Angeles1st: The entire Team cannot
2nd: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
3rd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
4th: Up to the Coordinator
5th: Abstain
Campinas, SP - Brazil, Império das Cinzas1st: The entire Team cannot
2nd: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
3rd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
4th: Up to the Coordinator
5th: Abstain
São Paulo, SP - Brazil, São Paulo by Night1st: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
2nd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
3rd: The entire Team cannot
4th: Up to the Coordinator
5th: Abstain
Mt. Dora, FL - USA, Mutual Alliance1st: Up to the Coordinator
2nd: Abstain
The coordinator should not be required to give up the PC or playing in the Genre they oversee. They just can't approve their own R&U.
La Crosse, WI - USA, The Rivers Edge1st: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
2nd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
3rd: Abstain
Stockton, CA - USA, Stockton by Night1st: Coord can't, Subcoords can
2nd: Up to the Coordinator
3rd: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
4th: The entire Team cannot
5th: Abstain
Decatur, IL - USA, The Chaos Within1st: The entire Team cannot
2nd: Abstain
Tampa, FL - USA, Tampa Bay by Night1st: The entire Team cannot
2nd: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
3rd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
4th: Up to the Coordinator
5th: Abstain
there are plenty things to play
Philadelphia, PA - USA, Honor in the Shadows1st: Up to the Coordinator
2nd: Abstain
The question is currently phrased as whether or not a volunteer position should be allowed to play their character, the answer is yes. The question of if coords and subcoords should be approving themselves for controlled powers/abilities/etc. the answer is no.
Bartow, FL - USA, Polk County Prophecies1st: Up to the Coordinator
2nd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
3rd: Abstain
Cleveland, OH - USA, An Uncertain Destiny1st: The entire Team cannot
2nd: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
3rd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
4th: Up to the Coordinator
5th: Abstain
A single clan is easy enough to avoid for your term. Don't even have to change which chronicles you play in, just which character you portray.
Sacramento, CA - USA, Sacramento By Night1st: The entire Team cannot
2nd: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
3rd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
4th: Up to the Coordinator
5th: Abstain
Chicago, IL - USA, Dark Requiem1st: Up to the Coordinator
2nd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
3rd: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
4th: The entire Team cannot
5th: Abstain
Fredericksburg, VA - USA, Caine's Chosen: Liberty in Death1st: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
2nd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
3rd: Up to the Coordinator
4th: The entire Team cannot
5th: Abstain
Norwalk, CT - USA, Rails of Revolution1st: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
2nd: Abstain
Atlanta, GA - USA, Whispers of Atlanta1st: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
2nd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
3rd: Up to the Coordinator
4th: The entire Team cannot
5th: Abstain
Griffin, GA - USA, Immortal Nights Theater1st: Up to the Coordinator
2nd: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
3rd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
4th: Abstain
Dayton, OH - USA, Dying Embers1st: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
2nd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
3rd: The entire Team cannot
4th: Abstain
Orland Park, IL - USA, Enigmas of Rage1st: Abstain
Macon, GA - USA, Stolen Hours1st: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
2nd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
3rd: The entire Team cannot
4th: Up to the Coordinator
5th: Abstain
Recife, PE - Brazil, Pernambuco by Night: Forever Haunted1st: The entire Team cannot
2nd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
3rd: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
4th: Up to the Coordinator
5th: Abstain
Cincinnati, OH - USA, Shadows of Cincinnati1st: Coord can't, Subcoords can
2nd: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
3rd: The entire Team cannot
4th: Up to the Coordinator
5th: Abstain
Madison, Wi - USA, Black Crusade1st: Up to the Coordinator
2nd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
3rd: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
4th: The entire Team cannot
5th: Abstain
Ouro Preto, MG - Brazil, Dying of the Light1st: Up to the Coordinator
2nd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
3rd: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
4th: The entire Team cannot
5th: Abstain
1st: The entire Team cannot 2nd: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee 3rd: Coord can't, Subcoords can 4th: Up to the Coordinator 5th: Abstain
Portland, ME - USA, Blackened Veins1st: Up to the Coordinator
2nd: Abstain
Lexington, KY - USA, Panders Playground1st: Up to the Coordinator
2nd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
3rd: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
4th: The entire Team cannot
5th: Abstain
Ranked as presented - Through the Organizations history there have been reasons a Coordinator was unable to shelve a PC within the Clan they were voted to be the Coordinator of. In those cases, Exec provides oversight and a check on abuse.
Gary, IN - USA, Shattered Souls1st: The entire Team cannot
2nd: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
3rd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
4th: Up to the Coordinator
5th: Abstain
Kenosha, WI - USA, Memento Mori1st: Up to the Coordinator
2nd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
3rd: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
4th: The entire Team cannot
5th: Abstain
Los Angeles, CA - USA, Dark Side of the Moon1st: Up to the Coordinator
2nd: Abstain
Per Staff Discussion.
Columbus, OH - USA, Wyld Prophets1st: Coord can't, Subcoords can
2nd: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
3rd: Up to the Coordinator
4th: Abstain
Gimli, MB - Canada, Sang Nordique1st: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
2nd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
3rd: The entire Team cannot
4th: Up to the Coordinator
5th: Abstain
St. Augustine, FL - USA, On Haunted Ground1st: Coord can't, Subcoords can
2nd: Up to the Coordinator
3rd: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
4th: The entire Team cannot
5th: Abstain
Rohnert Park, CA - USA, Shadows Crossing1st: Coord can't, Subcoords can
2nd: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
3rd: The entire Team cannot
4th: Up to the Coordinator
5th: Abstain
Ann Arbor, MI - USA, Tower of Broken Glass1st: Up to the Coordinator
2nd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
3rd: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
4th: The entire Team cannot
5th: Abstain
Northern Virginia, VA - USA, Night Falls1st: Up to the Coordinator
2nd: Abstain
Annapolis, MD - USA, Vitae Aeternus1st: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
2nd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
3rd: The entire Team cannot
4th: Up to the Coordinator
5th: Abstain
Bradenton, FL - USA, Chaos & Entropy1st: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
2nd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
3rd: Up to the Coordinator
4th: The entire Team cannot
5th: Abstain
Chicago, IL - USA, New Moon Rising1st: The entire Team cannot
2nd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
3rd: Abstain
Vale do Itajaí, SC - Brazil, Fear of the Dark1st: The entire Team cannot
2nd: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
3rd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
4th: Up to the Coordinator
5th: Abstain
Bridgeport, CT - USA, Bridgeport by Night: The Broken City1st: The entire Team cannot
2nd: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
3rd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
4th: Up to the Coordinator
5th: Abstain
Cincinnati, OH - USA, Rage and Fury1st: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
2nd: The entire Team cannot
3rd: Abstain
Grady, GA - USA, Whispers of Grady1st: The entire Team cannot
2nd: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
3rd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
4th: Up to the Coordinator
5th: Abstain
Cambridge, MA - USA, The Midnight Rose1st: The Coord can't and their subcoords can't as long as its specifically something they oversee
2nd: Coord can't, Subcoords can
3rd: The entire Team cannot
Votes ReceivedVoted NOT Received
Ann Arbor, MI - USA, Tower of Broken GlassAllentown, PA - USA, Steel Valley by Night
Annapolis, MD - USA, Vitae AeternusAlto Tietê, SP - Brazil, Sang Royal
Atlanta, GA - USA, Whispers of AtlantaBaltimore, MD - USA, Dark Harbor
Bartow, FL - USA, Polk County PropheciesBerkeley, CA - USA, Wasting the Dawn
Bradenton, FL - USA, Chaos & EntropyBloomington, IL - USA, Zephyr of Darkness
Brasília, DF - Brazil, Caldas NovasBoston, MA - USA, Reclaimed
Bridgeport, CT - USA, Bridgeport by Night: The Broken CityBrasília, DF - Brazil, Pacis Aeternae
Cambridge, MA - USA, The Midnight RoseCape Cod, MA - USA, Rage Across the Cape
Campinas, SP - Brazil, Império das CinzasCedar Rapids, IA - USA, Five Nights
Chicago, IL - USA, Dark RequiemClarksburg, WV - USA, Echoes of Silent Valleys
Chicago, IL - USA, New Moon RisingCleveland, OH - USA, Carpe Noctum
Chicago, IL - USA, Prey to PredatorCleveland, OH - USA, Heartland Alliance
Cincinnati, OH - USA, Rage and FuryColumbus, OH - USA, Columbus in Darkness
Cincinnati, OH - USA, Shadows of CincinnatiCuritiba, PR - Brazil, Curitiba By Night
Cleveland, OH - USA, An Uncertain DestinyDois Vizinhos, PR - Brazil, The Kingdom by Night - Immortal Royalty
Columbus, OH - USA, Wyld ProphetsDubuque, IA - USA, Kingdom of Ashes
Dayton, OH - USA, Dying EmbersDuluth, MN - USA, Thicker than Blood
Decatur, IL - USA, The Chaos WithinFargo, ND - USA, Within Shadow's Reach
Fredericksburg, VA - USA, Caine's Chosen: Liberty in DeathFortaleza, CE - Brazil, Land of The Sun
Gary, IN - USA, Shattered SoulsGainesville, FL - USA, Won't Back Down
Gimli, MB - Canada, Sang NordiqueGreen Bay, WI - USA, Shattered Dreams
Grady, GA - USA, Whispers of GradyHartford, CT - USA, Dark Colony
Griffin, GA - USA, Immortal Nights TheaterIndianapolis, IN - USA, Past is Prologue
Joinville, SC - Brazil, Danse MacabreJoão Pessoa, PB - Brazil, Eternal Shadows
Kenosha, WI - USA, Memento MoriLancaster, OH - USA, Mountains Dark Heart
La Crosse, WI - USA, The Rivers EdgeLancaster, OH - USA, Never Ending Nights
Lexington, KY - USA, Panders PlaygroundLisbon, Lisbon - Portugal, Eternal Cursed Darkness
Los Angeles, CA - USA, Dark Side of the MoonLondrina, PR - Brazil, Blood and Vendetta
Los Angeles, CA - USA, La Sangre De Los AngelesMaldonado - Uruguay, Maldonado by Night: Magus et Artifex
Macon, GA - USA, Stolen HoursMartinsburg, WV - USA, Martinsburg by Night
Madison, Wi - USA, Black CrusadeMilwaukee, WI - USA, Nocturnal Rapture
Marquette, MI - USA, Shattered Tears over Rural MichiganMossoro, RN - Brazil, Mossoro by Night
Minneapolis, MN - USA, Swift to Shed BloodNashville, IN - USA, Tea With Dragons
Mt. Dora, FL - USA, Mutual AllianceNatal, RN - Brazil, Legacy of Blood
New York City, NY - USA, Kings of New YorkNew Rochelle, NY - USA, Seasons of Strange
Northern Virginia, VA - USA, Night FallsNova Uruguaiana, RS - Brazil, Uruguaiana By Night – Susurros de la Oscuridad
Norwalk, CT - USA, Rails of RevolutionPelotas, RS - Brazil, The City of Shadows
Orland Park, IL - USA, Enigmas of RagePeoria, IL - USA, The Far Dawn
Ouro Preto, MG - Brazil, Dying of the LightPeoria, IL - USA, The Shattered Mirror
Philadelphia, PA - USA, Honor in the ShadowsPhoenix, AZ - USA, Unchained Arizona
Portland, ME - USA, Blackened VeinsPlainfield, IL - USA, Obsidian Shadows
Recife, PE - Brazil, Pernambuco by Night: Forever HauntedPorto Alegre, RS - Brazil, Solo Doentio
Rohnert Park, CA - USA, Shadows CrossingProvidence, RI - USA, Hidden Flame
Sacramento, CA - USA, Sacramento By NightRio de Janeiro, RJ - Brazil, City of Wonders
São Paulo, SP - Brazil, São Paulo by NightRio Grande, RS - Brazil, Sobre a Areia Sempre Hostil
St. Augustine, FL - USA, On Haunted GroundRockland, NY - USA, Under The Rock
Stockton, CA - USA, Stockton by NightSaint Paul, MN - USA, Obsidian Towers
Tampa, FL - USA, Tampa Bay by NightSalvador, BA - Brazil, Veritas Salvatore
Vale do Itajaí, SC - Brazil, Fear of the DarkSan Antonio, TX - USA, Libertatis Cunabula
San Francisco, CA - USA, Always Comes Evening
Sheboygan, WI - USA, Blood on the Lake
Springfield, IL - USA, Capitol City Cauldron
Springfield, OH - USA, Ohio Knights Sabbat
St. Louis, MO - USA, Shadows of St. Louis
Tampa, FL - USA, Orlando: Magic Kingdom
Twin Cities, MN, - USA, The Last Stand
Vale do Paraíba, SP - Brazil, Vale Sangrento
Vitória, ES - Brazil, Blood and Darkness
Washington, DC - USA, Shadows on the Horizon
Wichita, KS - USA, Rebellion in the Shadows
Worcester County, MA - USA, Quabbin
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