[Proposal][R&U Bylaw Regulation] Custom Obtenebration Combos as Coordinator Approval

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Proposal Type: Bylaw Revision

Opened: 16-Jul-2019 12:00AM EDT

Closing: 23-Jul-2019 12:00AM EDT

Council,

Pursuant to Coordinator bylaw §3.C.iii, as the Lasombra Coordinator I, Anthony Nordman, propose the following:

7. b. ii. 10 - Custom Combination Discipline, Technique, or other custom content using Obtenebration requires Lasombra Coordinator Approval.

Rationale:

This is being done to bring Obten in with other Clan-specific discipline combos.

This proposal allows for grandfathering.

Anthony Nordman

Lasombra Coordinator

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60 out of 158 eligible voters cast their ballot

For

62% (38 votes)

Against

25% (15 votes)

Abstain

13% (8 votes)

Chronicle/Position	Voted for	Comment
Dubuque, IA - USA, Kingdom of Ashes	For
New York City, NY - USA, Kings of New York	Against	This bylaw has no actual effect. People with Obten combis will simply choose a different discipline like Dominate and thus make it Storyteller Approval instead of Coordinator Approval. Either regulate all Combis or Don't. I have watched it time and time again with Custom Protean Combis. Players will just change it to Animalism instead, still do the same thing they wanted, and now its just Storyteller Approval. If you don't want a custom obten combi in your game, just say no. We believe this is needless restriction and has no practical effect beyond bylaw bloat.
St. Louis, MO - USA, Shadows of St. Louis	For
Campinas, SP - Brazil, Império das Cinzas	For
Rio Grande, RS - Brazil, Sobre a Areia Sempre Hostil	For
Maldonado - Uruguay, Maldonado by Night: Magus et Artifex	For
São Paulo, SP - Brazil, São Paulo by Night	Against
Saint Paul, MN - USA, Obsidian Towers	For
Mossoro, RN - Brazil, Mossoro by Night	For
Fortaleza, CE - Brazil, Land of The Sun	For
Curitiba, PR - Brazil, Curitiba By Night	For
Iowa City, IA - USA, Fields of Rage	For
Cape Cod, MA - USA, Rage Across the Cape	Abstain
Berkeley, CA - USA, Wasting the Dawn	For
Peoria, IL - USA, The Shattered Mirror	Against
Martinsburg, WV - USA, Martinsburg by Night	For
Decatur, IL - USA, The Chaos Within	For
Evansville, IN - USA, Paradise Lost	Abstain
Cleveland, OH - USA, An Uncertain Destiny	Abstain
Cedar Rapids, IA - USA, Five Nights	Against	The reasoning that "others do it" is not a good enough reason to force this amount of red-tape upon the org. If there was something in genre materials that demonstrated that the Lasombra horded or restricted the sharing of Obten etc. then that could be a basis. But this is not the case.
João Pessoa, PB - Brazil, Eternal Shadows	Against
Philadelphia, PA - USA, Nusquam	For
Winona, MN - USA, Winona Dark Haven	For
Sorocaba, SP - Brazil, Sorocaba by Night: The Abyss Within	Abstain
Auburn, CA - USA, Lux Tenebras	For
Cedar Falls, IA - USA, Blackhawk Co. by Night	For
Norwalk, CT - USA, Rails of Revolution	Against	Unfortunately folks are right, I've seen it happen with other combos that get denied involving a regulated Discipline.
Atlanta, GA - USA, Whispers of Atlanta	For
Griffin, GA - USA, Immortal Nights Theater	Against
Cleveland, OH - USA, Carpe Noctum	For
Dayton, OH - USA, Dying Embers	For
Brasília, DF - Brazil, Pacis Aeternae	For
Allentown, PA - USA, Steel Valley by Night	For
Cleveland, OH - USA, Heartland Alliance	Abstain
Ouro Preto, MG - Brazil, Dying of the Light	For
Portland, ME - USA, Blackened Veins	For
Lexington, KY - USA, Panders Playground	Against
Gary, IN - USA, Shattered Souls	For
Savannah, GA - USA, City of Shadows	Against
Washington, DC - USA, Shadows on the Mall	Abstain
Boston, MA - USA, Reclaimed	Against	Needless regulation and having witnessed this as Adam has, they get denied with obten, next week it is just added to the database with dominate.
Rio de Janeiro, RJ - Brazil, City of Wonders	For
Green Bay, WI - USA, Shattered Dreams	Against
Athens, GA - USA, Athens After Dark	Against
Natal, RN - Brazil, Legacy of Blood	Abstain
Gimli, MB - Canada, Sang Nordique	For
St. Augustine, FL - USA, On Haunted Ground	For
Rohnert Park, CA - USA, Shadows Crossing	For
Ann Arbor, MI - USA, Tower of Broken Glass	For
Annapolis, MD - USA, Vitae Aeternus	Against
Springfield, OH - USA, Ohio Knights Sabbat	For
Edwardsville, IL - USA, Caught in Eternal Twilight	For
Chicago, IL - USA, New Moon Rising	For
Gainesville, FL - USA, Won't Back Down	For
Hartford, CT - USA, Dark Colony	For
Vale do Itajaí, SC - Brazil, Fear of the Dark	For
New Rochelle, NY - USA, Seasons of Strange	Abstain
Bloomington, IL - USA, Zephyr of Darkness	For
Bridgeport, CT - USA, Bridgeport by Night: The Broken City	Against
Tampa, FL - USA, Orlando: Magic Kingdom	For	I already thought this was the case anyway

Votes Received	Voted NOT Received
Allentown, PA - USA, Steel Valley by Night	Alto Tietê, SP - Brazil, Sang Royal
Ann Arbor, MI - USA, Tower of Broken Glass	Baltimore, MD - USA, Dark Harbor
Annapolis, MD - USA, Vitae Aeternus	Bartow, FL - USA, Polk County Prophecies
Atlanta, GA - USA, Whispers of Atlanta	Bradenton, FL - USA, Chaos & Entropy
Berkeley, CA - USA, Wasting the Dawn	Brasília, DF - Brazil, Caldas Novas
Bloomington, IL - USA, Zephyr of Darkness	Cambridge, MA - USA, The Midnight Rose
Boston, MA - USA, Reclaimed	Chicago, IL - USA, Dark Requiem
Brasília, DF - Brazil, Pacis Aeternae	Chicago, IL - USA, Prey to Predator
Bridgeport, CT - USA, Bridgeport by Night: The Broken City	Cincinnati, OH - USA, Rage and Fury
Campinas, SP - Brazil, Império das Cinzas	Cincinnati, OH - USA, Shadows of Cincinnati
Cape Cod, MA - USA, Rage Across the Cape	Clarksburg, WV - USA, Echoes of Silent Valleys
Cedar Rapids, IA - USA, Five Nights	Columbus, OH - USA, Columbus in Darkness
Chicago, IL - USA, New Moon Rising	Columbus, OH - USA, Wyld Prophets
Cleveland, OH - USA, An Uncertain Destiny	Denver, CO - USA, Front Range Sabbat
Cleveland, OH - USA, Carpe Noctum	Dois Vizinhos, PR - Brazil, The Kingdom by Night - Immortal Royalty
Cleveland, OH - USA, Heartland Alliance	Duluth, MN - USA, Thicker than Blood
Curitiba, PR - Brazil, Curitiba By Night	Fargo, ND - USA, Within Shadow's Reach
Dayton, OH - USA, Dying Embers	Fredericksburg, VA - USA, Caine's Chosen: Liberty in Death
Decatur, IL - USA, The Chaos Within	Grady, GA - USA, Whispers of Grady
Dubuque, IA - USA, Kingdom of Ashes	Indianapolis, IN - USA, Past is Prologue
Edwardsville, IL - USA, Caught in Eternal Twilight	Joinville, SC - Brazil, Danse Macabre
Fortaleza, CE - Brazil, Land of The Sun	Kenosha, WI - USA, Memento Mori
Gainesville, FL - USA, Won't Back Down	La Crosse, WI - USA, The Rivers Edge
Gary, IN - USA, Shattered Souls	Lakeland, FL - USA, Lagos de los Muertos
Gimli, MB - Canada, Sang Nordique	Lancaster, OH - USA, Mountains Dark Heart
Green Bay, WI - USA, Shattered Dreams	Lancaster, OH - USA, Never Ending Nights
Griffin, GA - USA, Immortal Nights Theater	Lisbon, Lisbon - Portugal, Eternal Cursed Darkness
Hartford, CT - USA, Dark Colony	Londrina, PR - Brazil, Blood and Vendetta
João Pessoa, PB - Brazil, Eternal Shadows	Los Angeles, CA - USA, Dark Side of the Moon
Lexington, KY - USA, Panders Playground	Los Angeles, CA - USA, La Sangre De Los Angeles
Maldonado - Uruguay, Maldonado by Night: Magus et Artifex	Macon, GA - USA, Stolen Hours
Martinsburg, WV - USA, Martinsburg by Night	Madison, Wi - USA, Black Crusade
Mossoro, RN - Brazil, Mossoro by Night	Marquette, MI - USA, Shattered Tears over Rural Michigan
Natal, RN - Brazil, Legacy of Blood	Milwaukee, WI - USA, Nocturnal Rapture
New Rochelle, NY - USA, Seasons of Strange	Minneapolis, MN - USA, Swift to Shed Blood
New York City, NY - USA, Kings of New York	Mt. Dora, FL - USA, Mutual Alliance
Norwalk, CT - USA, Rails of Revolution	Nashville, IN - USA, Tea With Dragons
Ouro Preto, MG - Brazil, Dying of the Light	Northern Virginia, VA - USA, Night Falls
Peoria, IL - USA, The Shattered Mirror	Orland Park, IL - USA, Enigmas of Rage
Portland, ME - USA, Blackened Veins	Peoria, IL - USA, The Far Dawn
Rio de Janeiro, RJ - Brazil, City of Wonders	Philadelphia, PA - USA, Honor in the Shadows
Rio Grande, RS - Brazil, Sobre a Areia Sempre Hostil	Phoenix, AZ - USA, Unchained Arizona
Rohnert Park, CA - USA, Shadows Crossing	Plainfield, IL - USA, Obsidian Shadows
Saint Paul, MN - USA, Obsidian Towers	Porto Alegre, RS - Brazil, Solo Doentio
São Paulo, SP - Brazil, São Paulo by Night	Providence, RI - USA, Hidden Flame
Springfield, OH - USA, Ohio Knights Sabbat	Recife, PE - Brazil, Pernambuco by Night: Forever Haunted
St. Augustine, FL - USA, On Haunted Ground	Rio Grande, RS - Brazil, Uruguaiana By Night – Susurros de la Oscuridad
St. Louis, MO - USA, Shadows of St. Louis	Rockland, NY - USA, Under The Rock
Tampa, FL - USA, Orlando: Magic Kingdom	Sacramento, CA - USA, Sacramento By Night
Vale do Itajaí, SC - Brazil, Fear of the Dark	Salvador, BA - Brazil, Veritas Salvatore
Winona, MN - USA, Winona Dark Haven	San Antonio, TX - USA, Libertatis Cunabula
	San Francisco, CA - USA, Always Comes Evening
	Sheboygan, WI - USA, Blood on the Lake
	Springfield, IL - USA, Capitol City Cauldron
	Stockton, CA - USA, Stockton by Night
	Tampa, FL - USA, Tampa Bay by Night
	Twin Cities, MN, - USA, The Last Stand
	Vale do Paraíba, SP - Brazil, Vale Sangrento
	Vitória, ES - Brazil, Blood and Darkness
	Washington, DC - USA, Shadows on the Horizon
	Wichita, KS - USA, Rebellion in the Shadows
	Worcester County, MA - USA, Quabbin
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