Change in R&U Classification of Ravnos PCs
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Proposal Type: Bylaw Revision
Opened: 20-Mar-2003 1:00AM EST
Closing: 01-Apr-2003 1:00AM EST
Council Proposal: Ravnos R&U revisited.
Under R&U Guidelines Clan Ravnos has been placed as a
rare clan due to the week of nightmares plotline. With
the printing of the clan Ravnos book, we would like to
update the status of their position as an R&U from the
gathering of literature in the clan book.
We would like to change it to:
Clan Ravnos starting characters are R&U unless a PC
Ravnos has sired the character. All Sired PC Childer
require council notification before use.
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1 out of 155 eligible voters cast their ballot
For
64% (46 votes)
Against
19% (14 votes)
Abstain
17% (12 votes)
| Chronicle/Position | Voted for | Comment |
|---|---|---|
| Berkeley, CA - USA, Wasting the Dawn | Abstain | I support the idea of not having to pass a vote for PC-sired characters, however unless the new childe is played in the same game or a nearby game, so that the character is for example, newly embraced, I'm not sure I support this. I think perhaps the wording should be tightened up to specify ''unless a PC Ravnos has sired the character after the Week of Nightmares'' or something. And even then, I'm sure we'll see a lot of sires and childer where the players have never even met, and they're cross-country from eachother just because then there's no vote requirement...*sigh* |
| Milwaukee, WI - USA, Nocturnal Rapture | For | makes sense to me |
| Tampa, FL - USA, Tampa Bay by Night | Abstain | |
| Duluth, MN - USA, Thicker than Blood | Against | I don't think they can or should make a comeback...the few and only surviving ones would be in hiding or trying to work with other groups. I also see the potential for Ravnos to just start embracing. I still think all Ravnos should be run past council. The time and need to train and prepare for embraces should be challenging. In addition, genre is that only the high gens remain, we already have quite a few remaining low gen Ravnos that should not have survived. This is also the world of Darkness and I like the fact that the clan was almost wiped out and may never recover. |
| Chicago, IL - USA, Dark Requiem | For | It is up to the STs to police how many Ravnos should be running around in their game. A notification would be good enough by me, just to have tabs on how many are running around and to keep those numbers from swelling outrageously. |
| Fredericksburg, VA - USA, Caine's Chosen: Liberty in Death | For | Its going to get abused, of course. But then again what R&U already does not get abused the hell out of? |
| Indianapolis, IN - USA, Stars Never Rise | For | |
| Winona, MN - USA, Winona Dark Haven | For | After the Week of Maddness they'd want to make some sort of a population comeback. |
| Norwalk, CT - USA, Rails of Revolution | For | |
| Providence, RI - USA, Hidden Flame | For | Never liked the whole Ravnos/Nuke metaplot anyway. Christ, if ANYONE could fake his own death, it would be Ravnos. :) |
| Atlanta, GA - USA, Whispers of Atlanta | Abstain | |
| Fargo, ND - USA, Within Shadow's Reach | Against | This has far to much potential for abuse. |
| Cleveland, OH - USA, Carpe Noctum | For | |
| Columbus, OH - USA, Columbus in Darkness | For | |
| Springfield, IL - USA, Capitol City Cauldron | Against | |
| Washington, DC - USA, Shadows on the Mall | For | |
| Phoenix, AZ - USA, Secundus Surrectum | Against | |
| Kenosha, WI - USA, Memento Mori | For | |
| Gimli, MB - Canada, Sang Nordique | Against | |
| Iowa City, IA - USA, L'Ange Noir | For | Time of thin blood BADIn game embrace GOOD |
| Northern Virginia, VA - USA, Night Falls | For | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | For | Yes this is the World of Darkness and terrible things happen. I would like to keep things up to White-Wolf Genre. As per the ravnos clan book that the survivors are mass embracing to swell there numbers back up. as for potential abuse, ST's still have the right to deny such characters. its up to the ST's to make sure that these characters are limited to responsible players. The PC's should have the right to do what the book and their characters would do. |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | For | Yes this is the World of Darkness and terrible things happen. I would like to keep things up to White-Wolf Genre. As per the ravnos clan book that the survivors are mass embracing to swell there numbers back up. as for potential abuse, ST's still have the right to deny such characters. its up to the ST's to make sure that these characters are limited to responsible players. The PC's should have the right to do what the book and their characters would do. |
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| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | why can't they stay R&U. they are Rare, leave them rare. Will ST's start realizing that embracing a childer IS NOT A CASUAL THING THAT KINDRED DO...... |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | why can't they stay R&U. they are Rare, leave them rare. Will ST's start realizing that embracing a childer IS NOT A CASUAL THING THAT KINDRED DO...... |
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| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Abstain | I'm not exactly sure...I like that Ravnos are council votes, but it makes sense to not have a vote for PC childer. However, will this be abused if it passes? I will think on this a bit more. |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Abstain | I'm not exactly sure...I like that Ravnos are council votes, but it makes sense to not have a vote for PC childer. However, will this be abused if it passes? I will think on this a bit more. |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Abstain | While I think about this some more... Robbo |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Abstain | While I think about this some more... Robbo |
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| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | Again, far too much potential for abuse. |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | Again, far too much potential for abuse. |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | For | Yep, this is good. I never thought In-game embraces of any clan should be R&U anyway. |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | For | Yep, this is good. I never thought In-game embraces of any clan should be R&U anyway. |
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