R&U Change: Golconda
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Proposal Type: Bylaw Revision
Opened: 13-Mar-2008 2:00AM EDT
Closing: 13-Mar-2008 1:00AM EDT
Ammended Proposal:
Can we amend the current Proposal from:
I propose that PC's who attain Golconda are Very Rare, and should be placed in section: 9, B, ii for Very Rare (Character Regulation Bylaws), and that NPC's who are on Golconda should be placed in section: 9, B, iii for Rare (Character Regulation Bylaws)
Amend it to:
I propose that PC's who attain Golconda (with Discipline Benefits) are Very Rare, and should be placed in section: 9, B, ii for Very Rare (Character Regulation Bylaws), and that NPC's who are on Golconda should be placed in section: 9, B, iii for Rare (Character Regulation Bylaws), and that PC's who attain Golconda (without Discipline Benefits) are Unusual, and should be placed in section: 9, B, v for Unusual (Character Regulation Bylaws)
This is to show that for those who want the story and don't necessarily care for the benefit's can still attain it.
I believe this will do for a reasonable compromise.
Corey
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1 out of 160 eligible voters cast their ballot
Against
69% (62 votes)
Abstain
18% (16 votes)
For
13% (12 votes)
| Chronicle/Position | Voted for | Comment |
|---|---|---|
| Dubuque, IA - USA, Kingdom of Ashes | Against | Council should not regulate personal storylines. This is something between the PC and his/her STs, not something to be decided by dozens of people who've never met either. |
| St. Louis, MO - USA, Shadows of St. Louis | For | Reaching Golconda SHOULD be R&U, we don't need 50 people in 1 game being capable of doing this just because and ST wants to tell a story or do something Kewl. |
| Rio Grande, RS - Brazil, Sobre a Areia Sempre Hostil | Against | |
| Pirenopolis, GO: No Man's Land | Against | |
| Saint Paul, MN - USA, Obsidian Towers | Against | |
| La Crosse, WI - USA, The Rivers Edge | Against | I can't say it better than Five Nights. As to arguments that it's not a problem ''yet'', the achievement of Golconda should be reported to the archivist under Rare and Unique Information but that doesn't require a prop. |
| Iowa City, IA - USA, Fields of Rage | Against | What Five Nights said. |
| Berkeley, CA - USA, Wasting the Dawn | Against | It is absolute arrogance to believe our council should decide if a player has earned this honor. This is a deeply personal story that should stay between the ST, the PC who is on the journey and the other PCs whom the Golconda seeker interacts with. And it has never, ever been a problem in our ORG. Why do we want to fix something that isn't broken??? |
| Stockton, CA - USA, Stockton by Night | Against | The fact this stuff keeps coming up, I begin to think that theres Tremere out there who arent part of the pyramid openly. |
| Milwaukee, WI - USA, Nocturnal Rapture | Against | |
| Promise, CA: Broken Promises | Against | |
| Cedar Rapids, IA - USA, Five Nights | Against | Reaching it IS very rare already. Making a vote won't limit something that is not already limited in and of itself. Really, it cheapens the whole thing to say your years of role-play are up to the decision of people who have likely never intereacted with you. Not cool. |
| Duluth, MN - USA, Thicker than Blood | For | Right now, there's no Org oversight for such an Org affecting status as Golconda. |
| Philadelphia, PA - USA, Nusquam | For | Golcanda is a vampire pipe dream. It should effectively be impossible for all but the rarest of cases. People have argued that this hasn't been abused (that we know of), and thus we shouldn't bother regulating it. That is ludicrous. We should be taking a proactive approach to problems, not ''let them happen and react accordingly''. |
| Chicago, IL - USA, Dark Requiem | Against | I don't like the idea of putting it into R&U because if we list it people will want it. Simply listing it as a possibility will make some players want to get it. I'd much perfer to keep it rare by making anyone that attains Golconda NPC out. |
| Plainfield, IL - USA, Obsidian Shadows | Against | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | |
| Orange County, CA: Muerte Libre | Against | |
| Indianapolis, IN - USA, Stars Never Rise | Against | Other chronicles have said it better, but I can say it more succinctly: This prop is BS. |
| Winona, MN - USA, Winona Dark Haven | Against | |
| Cedar Falls, IA - USA, Blackhawk Co. by Night | Against | |
| Norwalk, CT - USA, Rails of Revolution | Abstain | |
| San Francisco, CA - USA, Always Comes Evening | Against | |
| Providence, RI - USA, Hidden Flame | Abstain | Not opposed to this in principal, but I really think it should be up to the games it directly impacts. The day one of my Fuzzies reaches Golconda they will instantly die from pink lightning bolts. |
| Atlanta, GA - USA, Whispers of Atlanta | Against | |
| Fargo, ND - USA, Within Shadow's Reach | Abstain | |
| Dayton, OH - USA, Dying Embers | Against | Not that I'd ever let a player attain Golconda.....but I don't think we need to specify this as an Organization. |
| Macon, GA - USA, Stolen Hours | For | |
| Cincinnati, OH - USA, Shadows of Cincinnati | Against | Golconda is reached through years of extensive roleplaying, not something we vote on in Council. Can we please let players PLAY? I mean, this is a game...we're supposed to play, not spend all of our time making up rules about how to play. These votes are so unnecessary. |
| Phoenix, AZ - USA, Secundus Surrectum | Abstain | |
| Kenosha, WI - USA, Memento Mori | Against | |
| Green Bay, WI - USA, Shattered Dreams | Against | |
| Iowa City, IA - USA, L'Ange Noir | Against | |
| St. Augustine, FL - USA, On Haunted Ground | Against | |
| Annapolis, MD - USA, Vitae Aeternus | Against | |
| Edwardsville, IL - USA, Caught in Eternal Twilight | Against | let STs tell stories... |
| Baltimore, MD - USA, Dark Harbor | Against | |
| AHC 1 | For | Golconda is an impossible ideal. Reaching it should be ''very rare'' indeed. Jenn Bahrs, AHC |
| Aracati | Abstain | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Abstain | This really does not affect our game at all. The only Golcanda the changelings are likely to reach is in Illinois. |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Abstain | This really does not affect our game at all. The only Golcanda the changelings are likely to reach is in Illinois. |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Abstain | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Abstain | |
| Reclamation | For | I have yet to hear a valid reason for it to not be on the list. I <3 Golconda. Which is why it should be restricted. |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Abstain | No vamps in my game. none of my business. |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Abstain | No vamps in my game. none of my business. |