R&U Bylaw Addition, Custom Content Notification Requirement for Vampire PCs

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Proposal Type: Bylaw Revision

Opened: 15-Jan-2015 12:00AM EST

Closing: 22-Jan-2015 12:00AM EST

PROPOSAL

Tampa: Under Night's Cloak proposes Custom Content within OWbN for VAMPIRE PCs be raised to the level of Notification. The proposed changes in the R&U and Coordinator Bylaws can be seen below, in RED. Additionally, this proposal calls for a document be created to list all PC-created Custom Content across the network, maintained by the Archivist(s). The outline for this document may be viewed here.

This proposal requires a second in order to go to vote.

SUMMARY

This framework affords the entire org one resource where Custom Content (again, for Vampire PCs ONLY) in the org may be collected, maintained and viewed. Currently, we have no visibility at all of what STs or Coords are approving as Customs. The bulk of the feedback in the previous proposal (and vote) on this subject seemed to indicate wide-spread support for Notification of Custom Content.

CHANGES

Additions/Changes are below, in RED

R&U Bylaws, Section 3.H.ii. - Uncommon Vampire Listings

UNCOMMON: Includes characters that should be monitored for genre adherence. PC: Notification to Coordinator; NPC: Notification to Coordinator

8. Custom Content for Player-Characters

a. Custom Content is defined as anything added to a character sheet or OWbN Document or Packet which has not been printed in a White Wolf/Onyx Path/CCP book. The following sections specify which types of Custom Content are regulated, and the requirements for creating and learning. Some Custom Content may be regulated by other Bylaws; in the case a Custom Content item is restricted elsewhere, that restriction shall be considered in addition to the regulations defined below:

b. Creating Custom Content

i. Blood Magic, including both Paths and Rituals

1. Requires the previous approval of the appropriate Coordinator for the Blood Magic in accordance with each paradigm's OWbN-approved documentation and the Coordinator Bylaws (Section 3.C.ii.6.a)

ii. Disciplines, Combination Disciplines and Discipline Techniques

1. Notified to the Coordinator responsible for the Clan of the character creating the Discipline or Combination Discipline (also known as Discipline Techniques)

a. For Combination Disciplines which require a component of either Blood Magic or a proprietary Discipline, Notification to the appropriate Coordinator for the Clan of the character and the Coordinator responsible for the Blood Magic or proprietary Clan

b. Instead of a Clan Coordinator, Caitiff/Panders use their appropriate Sect Coordinator

iii. Paths of Enlightenment, including customized versions of existing/printed Paths of Enlightenment

1. Notified to the Sect Coordinator appropriate to the character. For members of Independent Clans who are not part of a Sect, notification is to the Coordinator responsible for the character's Clan. These Clans are as follows:

a. Assamites

b. Baali

c. Followers of Set

d. Gangrel

e. Giovanni

f. Ravnos

g. Samedi

iv. Ritae: Notified to the Sabbat Coordinator

1. Only Ritae with mechanical advantages are required to be Notified

c. Learning Custom Content

i. Player-Characters learning any Custom Content (specified in the above Section, b.) previously created by another Character

1. If a PC learns Custom Content which has not been previously Notified (for example, from an NPC), in addition to the learning, the PC will be required to Notify the Custom Content as well (as specified in the above Section, b.)

ii. The Notification of this learning must include the name of the character who is teaching the Custom Content

The following items will be REMOVED from this section (3.H.ii.):

3.H.ii.3.a.2 - Custom Combination Disciplines with Dementation

Reason: Characters creating Dementation Combos will be included in the above Notifications so this is redundant

3. Coordinator Duties

A. Administrative Coordinators

v. Archivists

3. Duties for Custom Content archival shall be:

a. All Custom Content will be recorded and compiled by the Archivists into a single document which shall be accessible on the One World by Night website.

i. This document will include the following information about each item of Custom Content:

Name of the Custom

Type (Discipline, Combo, etc)

For Combination Disciplines, the component requirements

Cost

The MET Mechanics

Date of the Archival

Coordinator office responsible for monitoring the Custom Content

ii. HST Name and Chronicle Name (where the Custom Content was Approved) will be recorded, but not listed publicly in the document

B. Sect Coordinators

i. Sect Coordinators are responsible for:

3. Monitoring Custom content in One World by Night, in accordance with the R&U Bylaws, Section 3.H.ii.8.

C. Genre Coordinators

i. Genre Coordinators are responsible for:

8. Monitoring Custom content in One World by Night, in accordance with the R&U Bylaws, Section 3.H.ii.8.

Thank you,

- Brian Orlando

Tampa's HST & CM

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60 out of 160 eligible voters cast their ballot

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45% (27 votes)

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43% (26 votes)

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12% (7 votes)

Chronicle/Position	Voted for	Comment
New York City, NY - USA, Kings of New York	For
São Paulo, SP - Brazil, São Paulo by Night	Abstain	No Concensus was reached by the ST team, still under discussion.
Rockland, NY - USA, Under The Rock	Against
Saint Paul, MN - USA, Obsidian Towers	For	It is impossible to "keep it local," since we are an international organization of games. No matter how you try to slice it, what happens in your chronicle will affect other chronicles. A little bit of transparency (and really not a lot, since there's no identifying information involved) helps chronicles understand exactly what is affecting them.
Curitiba, PR - Brazil, Curitiba By Night	Abstain
La Crosse, WI - USA, The Rivers Edge	For	Echo of Gimli
Iowa City, IA - USA, Fields of Rage	Abstain
Cape Cod, MA - USA, Rage Across the Cape	Abstain
Stockton, CA - USA, Stockton by Night	Against
Milwaukee, WI - USA, Nocturnal Rapture	Against
Peoria, IL - USA, The Shattered Mirror	Against
Martinsburg, WV - USA, Martinsburg by Night	For
Decatur, IL - USA, The Chaos Within	Against
Tampa, FL - USA, Tampa Bay by Night	For	We are a shared universe and what you allow people to purchase and travel with is going to affect the rest of the network. This is simple transparency. Want to make a custom? No problem, it gets approved by the ST and then gets added to our custom content shared resource without any further need for approval or anything - just a simple notification.
Philadelphia, PA - USA, Honor in the Shadows	Against	if this is the direction we feel in necessary then we may as well just create whole rules for the entire org that dictate all the minutia for everything. ie global house rules.
Evansville, IN - USA, Paradise Lost	Against
João Pessoa, PB - Brazil, Eternal Shadows	For	My chronic allows no custom content that are not included in packets , but I feel that I will like to get to know the bizarre things that may appear , and also those that will cease to exist by shame to notify .
Sacramento, CA - USA, Sacramento By Night	For	Custom powers should be visible.
Philadelphia, PA - USA, Nusquam	Against
Chicago, IL - USA, Dark Requiem	Against
Fredericksburg, VA - USA, Caine's Chosen: Liberty in Death	Against
Sorocaba, SP - Brazil, Sorocaba by Night: The Abyss Within	For
Auburn, CA - USA, Lux Tenebras	Against
San Francisco, CA - USA, Always Comes Evening	Against	Ditto Savannah GA comments. Should be on STs.
Providence, RI - USA, Hidden Flame	For	I think a central repository of created items is valuable. And frankly, the supposed metagaming concerns seem silly to me. If you're travelling to a game, you're going to be showing the STs your sheet anyway.
Fargo, ND - USA, Within Shadow's Reach	For
Dayton, OH - USA, Dying Embers	Against	Per HST
Allentown, PA - USA, Steel Valley by Night	Against
Cleveland, OH - USA, Heartland Alliance	Against
Columbus, OH - USA, Columbus in Darkness	For
Ouro Preto, MG - Brazil, Dying of the Light	For
Lewiston/Auburn, ME - USA, Shadows and Light	Against
Lexington, KY - USA, Panders Playground	For
Savannah, GA - USA, City of Shadows	Against	Again, absolutely NOT. This is an issue that should remain as a chronicle-to-chronicle/ST-to-ST affair. A Storyteller may deny, approve, or modify any custom power that comes to their game. Though the stated intention of anonymity has been made, it seems counterproductive to the idea given that chronicle and HST information is still required, "ii. HST Name and Chronicle Name (where the Custom Content was Approved) will be recorded, but not listed publicly in the document." What's the purpose of this if the desire is to truly have anonymity? There is simply no need for this proposal as it is a matter for local games to handle among themselves. Requiring a list of powers that 95% of us will never even see in our games is unnecessary and should be questioned. Keep it local, folks. And three games choose to vote literally for the purposes of shaming players with custom powers. Seriously? This comment has been revised 2 times. *Click here to see revision history* Version 1 dated: Jan 15 2015, 1:16am EST Again, absolutely NOT. This is an issue that should remain as a chronicle-to-chronicle/ST-to-ST affair. A Storyteller may deny, approve, or modify any custom power that comes to their game. Putting these custom powers on a list showing their home chronicle origin gives players the opportunity to draw conclusions that could potentially lead to metagaming. There is simply no need for this proposal as it is a matter for local games to handle among themselves. Version 2 dated: Jan 20 2015, 9:53pm EST Again, absolutely NOT. This is an issue that should remain as a chronicle-to-chronicle/ST-to-ST affair. A Storyteller may deny, approve, or modify any custom power that comes to their game. Though the stated intention of anonymity has been made, it seems counterproductive to the idea given that chronicle and HST information is still required, "ii. HST Name and Chronicle Name (where the Custom Content was Approved) will be recorded, but not listed publicly in the document." What's the purpose of this if the desire is to truly have anonymity? There is simply no need for this proposal as it is a matter for local games to handle among themselves. Requiring a list of powers that 95% of us will never even see in our games is unnecessary and should be questioned. Keep it local, folks. Version 3 dated: Jan 21 2015, 10:23pm EST Again, absolutely NOT. This is an issue that should remain as a chronicle-to-chronicle/ST-to-ST affair. A Storyteller may deny, approve, or modify any custom power that comes to their game. Though the stated intention of anonymity has been made, it seems counterproductive to the idea given that chronicle and HST information is still required, "ii. HST Name and Chronicle Name (where the Custom Content was Approved) will be recorded, but not listed publicly in the document." What's the purpose of this if the desire is to truly have anonymity? There is simply no need for this proposal as it is a matter for local games to handle among themselves. Requiring a list of powers that 95% of us will never even see in our games is unnecessary and should be questioned. Keep it local, folks. And three games choose to vote literally for the purposes of shaming players with custom powers. Seriously?
Alto Tietê, SP - Brazil, Sang Royal	For
Vale do Paraíba, SP - Brazil, Vale Sangrento	For
Washington, DC - USA, Shadows on the Mall	Abstain
Phoenix, AZ - USA, Secundus Surrectum	Against
Amador, CA - USA, River of Shadows	Against
Kenosha, WI - USA, Memento Mori	For	My thought is that we run a game with powers printed in a plethora of books and packets. If you want to make up shit, it should be written down somewhere accessible. The perceptions is that games want to hide the stupid shit they've approved (like Combos replicating Elder powers to work around the No Elder Disciplines Bylaw), and hence vote against this.
Bridgewater, MA - USA, Into The Darkness: Sabbat	Abstain
Athens, GA - USA, Athens After Dark	Against	As the HC and both AHCs have chosen to chime in, and said this is for data collection and the aid of the cords. Since the cords can't do anything but see whats out there. They can't effect it in anyway out side of social pressure (which was mentioned in the discussion as a concern) aka shaming. Or leaking who has what were. since only cords will be able to see what comes from where. How does this help the coords (It paints them as possible sources for metagaming guilt or not)? how does this help STs (adding work to work load some already find confusing, from the number of questions about various censuses and such on council)? it creates paperwork. IF people want this, they could do this without it being forced upon them. This comment has been revised 1 time. *Click here to see revision history* Version 1 dated: Jan 21 2015, 9:33pm EST As the HC and both AHCs have chosen to chime in, and said this is for data collection and the aid of the cords. Since the cords can't do anything but see whats out there. They can't effect it in anyway out side of social pressure (which was mentioned in the discussion) aka shaming. Or leaking who has what were. since only cords will be able to see what comes from where. How does this help the cords? how does this help STs? it creates paperwork. IF people want this, they could do this without it being forced upon them. Version 2 dated: Jan 21 2015, 9:39pm EST As the HC and both AHCs have chosen to chime in, and said this is for data collection and the aid of the cords. Since the cords can't do anything but see whats out there. They can't effect it in anyway out side of social pressure (which was mentioned in the discussion as a concern) aka shaming. Or leaking who has what were. since only cords will be able to see what comes from where. How does this help the coords (It paints them as possible sources for metagaming guilt or not)? how does this help STs (adding work to work load some already find confusing, from the number of questions about various censuses and such on council)? it creates paperwork. IF people want this, they could do this without it being forced upon them.
Natal, RN - Brazil, Legacy of Blood	Abstain
Gimli, MB - Canada, Sang Nordique	For	Transparency on OOC game mechanics is a good thing.
Iowa City, IA - USA, L'Ange Noir	For	Totally voting myself more work here, but I'm generally okay with the idea of having custom content written down where everyone can see it.
St. Augustine, FL - USA, On Haunted Ground	Against
Baltimore, MD - USA, Quoth the Raven	Against
Northern Virginia, VA - USA, Night Falls	Against
Annapolis, MD - USA, Vitae Aeternus	Against
Bradenton, FL - USA, Chaos & Entropy	For
Edwardsville, IL - USA, Caught in Eternal Twilight	Against
Phoenix, AZ - USA, Unchained Arizona	For
Lakeland, FL - USA, Lagos de los Muertos	For	This is a great resource for Sts, coords, and players.
Hartford, CT - USA, Dark Colony	For
Indianapolis, IN - USA, Past is Prologue	For
New Rochelle, NY - USA, Seasons of Strange	For
Baltimore, MD - USA, Dark Harbor	Against
Head Coord	For	Please read the actual proposal. The prop is simply formalizing a data collection process for the Coordinators. Rather than requesting info about custom content during the annual census, we'll instead have a means for such information to be collected throughout the year, which is easier for individual game staffs to handle when such things are fresh on their mind. This prop does not lead to metagaming, as sensitive OOC information (like the originators) will be kept under lock and key. This proposal will not provide players and storytellers with information as to the origin of the custom content. The chronicles who mentioned in their comments that ST's and players will know the origins of the custom content either misread the proposal or are outright lying.
AHC 1	For	This proposal does not lead to meta-gaming. This proposal does not give information to players or storytellers regarding a home-brews origins or creation. Please read the actual proposal when deciding to vote. Ask Brian Orlando questions if you have any questions that need clarified. But please read and then decide. The proposal is simply for data collection to assist their respective coordinators.
AHC 2	For

Votes Received	Voted NOT Received
Allentown, PA - USA, Steel Valley by Night	Ann Arbor, MI - USA, Tower of Broken Glass
Alto Tietê, SP - Brazil, Sang Royal	Atlanta, GA - USA, Demise of the Sovereign
Annapolis, MD - USA, Vitae Aeternus	Atlanta, GA - USA, Whispers of Atlanta
Auburn, CA - USA, Lux Tenebras	Bartow, FL - USA, Polk County Prophecies
Baltimore, MD - USA, Dark Harbor	Berkeley, CA - USA, Wasting the Dawn
Bradenton, FL - USA, Chaos & Entropy	Bloomington, IL - USA, Zephyr of Darkness
Cape Cod, MA - USA, Rage Across the Cape	Boston, MA - USA, Reclaimed
Chicago, IL - USA, Dark Requiem	Brasília, DF - Brazil, Caldas Novas
Cleveland, OH - USA, Heartland Alliance	Brasília, DF - Brazil, Pacis Aeternae
Columbus, OH - USA, Columbus in Darkness	Bridgeport, CT - USA, Bridgeport by Night: The Broken City
Curitiba, PR - Brazil, Curitiba By Night	Cambridge, MA - USA, The Midnight Rose
Dayton, OH - USA, Dying Embers	Campinas, SP - Brazil, Império das Cinzas
Decatur, IL - USA, The Chaos Within	Cedar Falls, IA - USA, Blackhawk Co. by Night
Edwardsville, IL - USA, Caught in Eternal Twilight	Cedar Rapids, IA - USA, Five Nights
Fargo, ND - USA, Within Shadow's Reach	Chicago, IL - USA, New Moon Rising
Fredericksburg, VA - USA, Caine's Chosen: Liberty in Death	Chicago, IL - USA, Prey to Predator
Gimli, MB - Canada, Sang Nordique	Cincinnati, OH - USA, Rage and Fury
Hartford, CT - USA, Dark Colony	Cincinnati, OH - USA, Shadows of Cincinnati
Indianapolis, IN - USA, Past is Prologue	Clarksburg, WV - USA, Echoes of Silent Valleys
João Pessoa, PB - Brazil, Eternal Shadows	Cleveland, OH - USA, Carpe Noctum
Kenosha, WI - USA, Memento Mori	Cleveland, OH - USA, Under an Eerie Moon
La Crosse, WI - USA, The Rivers Edge	Columbus, OH - USA, Wyld Prophets
Lakeland, FL - USA, Lagos de los Muertos	Denver, CO - USA, Front Range Sabbat
Lewiston/Auburn, ME - USA, Shadows and Light	Dois Vizinhos, PR - Brazil, The Kingdom by Night - Immortal Royalty
Lexington, KY - USA, Panders Playground	Dubuque, IA - USA, Kingdom of Ashes
Martinsburg, WV - USA, Martinsburg by Night	Duluth, MN - USA, Thicker than Blood
Milwaukee, WI - USA, Nocturnal Rapture	Fortaleza, CE - Brazil, Land of The Sun
Natal, RN - Brazil, Legacy of Blood	Gainesville, FL - USA, Won't Back Down
New Rochelle, NY - USA, Seasons of Strange	Gary, IN - USA, Shattered Souls
New York City, NY - USA, Kings of New York	Grady, GA - USA, Whispers of Grady
Northern Virginia, VA - USA, Night Falls	Green Bay, WI - USA, Shattered Dreams
Ouro Preto, MG - Brazil, Dying of the Light	Griffin, GA - USA, Immortal Nights Theater
Peoria, IL - USA, The Shattered Mirror	Joinville, SC - Brazil, Danse Macabre
Philadelphia, PA - USA, Honor in the Shadows	Lancaster, OH - USA, Mountains Dark Heart
Phoenix, AZ - USA, Unchained Arizona	Lancaster, OH - USA, Never Ending Nights
Providence, RI - USA, Hidden Flame	Londrina, PR - Brazil, Blood and Vendetta
Rockland, NY - USA, Under The Rock	Los Angeles, CA - USA, Dark Side of the Moon
Sacramento, CA - USA, Sacramento By Night	Los Angeles, CA - USA, La Sangre De Los Angeles
Saint Paul, MN - USA, Obsidian Towers	Macon, GA - USA, Stolen Hours
San Francisco, CA - USA, Always Comes Evening	Madison, Wi - USA, Black Crusade
São Paulo, SP - Brazil, São Paulo by Night	Maldonado - Uruguay, Maldonado by Night: Magus et Artifex
Savannah, GA - USA, City of Shadows	Mossoro, RN - Brazil, Mossoro by Night
St. Augustine, FL - USA, On Haunted Ground	Mt. Dora, FL - USA, Mutual Alliance
Stockton, CA - USA, Stockton by Night	Nashville, IN - USA, Tea With Dragons
Tampa, FL - USA, Tampa Bay by Night	New Orleans, LA - USA, Long Night
Vale do Paraíba, SP - Brazil, Vale Sangrento	Norwalk, CT - USA, Rails of Revolution
AHC 1	Orland Park, IL - USA, Enigmas of Rage
AHC 2	Peoria, IL - USA, The Far Dawn
Head Coord	Plainfield, IL - USA, Obsidian Shadows
	Portland, ME - USA, Blackened Veins
	Porto Alegre, RS - Brazil, Solo Doentio
	Recife, PE - Brazil, Pernambuco by Night: Forever Haunted
	Rio de Janeiro, RJ - Brazil, City of Wonders
	Rio Grande, RS - Brazil, Sobre a Areia Sempre Hostil
	Rohnert Park, CA - USA, Shadows Crossing
	Salvador, BA - Brazil, Veritas Salvatore
	San Antonio, TX - USA, Libertatis Cunabula
	Sheboygan, WI - USA, Blood on the Lake
	Springfield, IL - USA, Capitol City Cauldron
	Springfield, OH - USA, Ohio Knights Sabbat
	St. Louis, MO - USA, Shadows of St. Louis
	Tampa, FL - USA, Orlando: Magic Kingdom
	Twin Cities, MN, - USA, The Last Stand
	Vale do Itajaí, SC - Brazil, Fear of the Dark
	Vitória, ES - Brazil, Blood and Darkness
	Washington, DC - USA, Shadows on the Horizon
	Wichita, KS - Rebellion in the Shadows
	Winona, MN - USA, Winona Dark Haven
	Worcester County, MA - USA, Quabbin
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