[Proposal][R&U Bylaw Regulation] Custom Obtenebration Combos as Coordinator Approval

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Proposal Type: Bylaw Revision

Opened: 16-Jul-2019 12:00AM EDT

Closing: 23-Jul-2019 12:00AM EDT

Council,

Pursuant to Coordinator bylaw §3.C.iii, as the Lasombra Coordinator I, Anthony Nordman, propose the following:

7. b. ii. 10 - Custom Combination Discipline, Technique, or other custom content using Obtenebration requires Lasombra Coordinator Approval.

Rationale:

This is being done to bring Obten in with other Clan-specific discipline combos.

This proposal allows for grandfathering.

Anthony Nordman

Lasombra Coordinator

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60 out of 159 eligible voters cast their ballot

For

62% (38 votes)

Against

25% (15 votes)

Abstain

13% (8 votes)

Chronicle/Position	Voted for	Comment
Dubuque, IA - USA, Kingdom of Ashes	For
New York City, NY - USA, Kings of New York	Against	This bylaw has no actual effect. People with Obten combis will simply choose a different discipline like Dominate and thus make it Storyteller Approval instead of Coordinator Approval. Either regulate all Combis or Don't. I have watched it time and time again with Custom Protean Combis. Players will just change it to Animalism instead, still do the same thing they wanted, and now its just Storyteller Approval. If you don't want a custom obten combi in your game, just say no. We believe this is needless restriction and has no practical effect beyond bylaw bloat.
St. Louis, MO - USA, Shadows of St. Louis	For
Campinas, SP - Brazil, Império das Cinzas	For
Rio Grande, RS - Brazil, Sobre a Areia Sempre Hostil	For
Maldonado - Uruguay, Maldonado by Night: Magus et Artifex	For
São Paulo, SP - Brazil, São Paulo by Night	Against
Saint Paul, MN - USA, Obsidian Towers	For
Mossoro, RN - Brazil, Mossoro by Night	For
Fortaleza, CE - Brazil, Land of The Sun	For
Curitiba, PR - Brazil, Curitiba By Night	For
Iowa City, IA - USA, Fields of Rage	For
Cape Cod, MA - USA, Rage Across the Cape	Abstain
Berkeley, CA - USA, Wasting the Dawn	For
Peoria, IL - USA, The Shattered Mirror	Against
Martinsburg, WV - USA, Martinsburg by Night	For
Decatur, IL - USA, The Chaos Within	For
Evansville, IN - USA, Paradise Lost	Abstain
Cleveland, OH - USA, Under an Eerie Moon	Abstain
Cedar Rapids, IA - USA, Five Nights	Against	The reasoning that "others do it" is not a good enough reason to force this amount of red-tape upon the org. If there was something in genre materials that demonstrated that the Lasombra horded or restricted the sharing of Obten etc. then that could be a basis. But this is not the case.
João Pessoa, PB - Brazil, Eternal Shadows	Against
Philadelphia, PA - USA, Nusquam	For
Winona, MN - USA, Winona Dark Haven	For
Sorocaba, SP - Brazil, Sorocaba by Night: The Abyss Within	Abstain
Auburn, CA - USA, Lux Tenebras	For
Cedar Falls, IA - USA, Blackhawk Co. by Night	For
Norwalk, CT - USA, Rails of Revolution	Against	Unfortunately folks are right, I've seen it happen with other combos that get denied involving a regulated Discipline.
Atlanta, GA - USA, Whispers of Atlanta	For
Griffin, GA - USA, Immortal Nights Theater	Against
Cleveland, OH - USA, Carpe Noctum	For
Dayton, OH - USA, Dying Embers	For
Brasília, DF - Brazil, Pacis Aeternae	For
Allentown, PA - USA, Steel Valley by Night	For
Cleveland, OH - USA, Heartland Alliance	Abstain
Ouro Preto, MG - Brazil, Dying of the Light	For
Portland, ME - USA, Blackened Veins	For
Lexington, KY - USA, Panders Playground	Against
Gary, IN - USA, Shattered Souls	For
Savannah, GA - USA, City of Shadows	Against
Washington, DC - USA, Shadows on the Mall	Abstain
Boston, MA - USA, Reclaimed	Against	Needless regulation and having witnessed this as Adam has, they get denied with obten, next week it is just added to the database with dominate.
Rio de Janeiro, RJ - Brazil, City of Wonders	For
Green Bay, WI - USA, Shattered Dreams	Against
Athens, GA - USA, Athens After Dark	Against
Natal, RN - Brazil, Legacy of Blood	Abstain
Gimli, MB - Canada, Sang Nordique	For
St. Augustine, FL - USA, On Haunted Ground	For
Rohnert Park, CA - USA, Shadows Crossing	For
Ann Arbor, MI - USA, Tower of Broken Glass	For
Annapolis, MD - USA, Vitae Aeternus	Against
Springfield, OH - USA, Ohio Knights Sabbat	For
Edwardsville, IL - USA, Caught in Eternal Twilight	For
Chicago, IL - USA, New Moon Rising	For
Gainesville, FL - USA, Won't Back Down	For
Hartford, CT - USA, Dark Colony	For
Vale do Itajaí, SC - Brazil, Fear of the Dark	For
New Rochelle, NY - USA, Seasons of Strange	Abstain
Bloomington, IL - USA, Zephyr of Darkness	For
Bridgeport, CT - USA, Bridgeport by Night: The Broken City	Against
Tampa, FL - USA, Orlando: Magic Kingdom	For	I already thought this was the case anyway

Votes Received	Voted NOT Received
Allentown, PA - USA, Steel Valley by Night	Alto Tietê, SP - Brazil, Sang Royal
Ann Arbor, MI - USA, Tower of Broken Glass	Atlanta, GA - USA, Demise of the Sovereign
Annapolis, MD - USA, Vitae Aeternus	Baltimore, MD - USA, Dark Harbor
Atlanta, GA - USA, Whispers of Atlanta	Bartow, FL - USA, Polk County Prophecies
Auburn, CA - USA, Lux Tenebras	Bradenton, FL - USA, Chaos & Entropy
Berkeley, CA - USA, Wasting the Dawn	Cambridge, MA - USA, The Midnight Rose
Bloomington, IL - USA, Zephyr of Darkness	Chicago, IL - USA, Dark Requiem
Boston, MA - USA, Reclaimed	Chicago, IL - USA, Prey to Predator
Brasília, DF - Brazil, Pacis Aeternae	Cincinnati, OH - USA, Rage and Fury
Bridgeport, CT - USA, Bridgeport by Night: The Broken City	Cincinnati, OH - USA, Shadows of Cincinnati
Campinas, SP - Brazil, Império das Cinzas	Clarksburg, WV - USA, Echoes of Silent Valleys
Cape Cod, MA - USA, Rage Across the Cape	Columbus, OH - USA, Columbus in Darkness
Cedar Falls, IA - USA, Blackhawk Co. by Night	Columbus, OH - USA, Wyld Prophets
Cedar Rapids, IA - USA, Five Nights	Denver, CO - USA, Front Range Sabbat
Chicago, IL - USA, New Moon Rising	Dois Vizinhos, PR - Brazil, The Kingdom by Night - Immortal Royalty
Cleveland, OH - USA, Carpe Noctum	Duluth, MN - USA, Thicker than Blood
Cleveland, OH - USA, Heartland Alliance	Fargo, ND - USA, Within Shadow's Reach
Cleveland, OH - USA, Under an Eerie Moon	Fredericksburg, VA - USA, Caine's Chosen: Liberty in Death
Curitiba, PR - Brazil, Curitiba By Night	Grady, GA - USA, Whispers of Grady
Dayton, OH - USA, Dying Embers	Indianapolis, IN - USA, Past is Prologue
Decatur, IL - USA, The Chaos Within	Joinville, SC - Brazil, Danse Macabre
Dubuque, IA - USA, Kingdom of Ashes	Kenosha, WI - USA, Memento Mori
Edwardsville, IL - USA, Caught in Eternal Twilight	La Crosse, WI - USA, The Rivers Edge
Fortaleza, CE - Brazil, Land of The Sun	Lakeland, FL - USA, Lagos de los Muertos
Gainesville, FL - USA, Won't Back Down	Lancaster, OH - USA, Mountains Dark Heart
Gary, IN - USA, Shattered Souls	Lancaster, OH - USA, Never Ending Nights
Gimli, MB - Canada, Sang Nordique	Lewiston/Auburn, ME - USA, Shadows and Light
Green Bay, WI - USA, Shattered Dreams	Londrina, PR - Brazil, Blood and Vendetta
Griffin, GA - USA, Immortal Nights Theater	Los Angeles, CA - USA, Dark Side of the Moon
Hartford, CT - USA, Dark Colony	Los Angeles, CA - USA, La Sangre De Los Angeles
João Pessoa, PB - Brazil, Eternal Shadows	Macon, GA - USA, Stolen Hours
Lexington, KY - USA, Panders Playground	Madison, Wi - USA, Black Crusade
Maldonado - Uruguay, Maldonado by Night: Magus et Artifex	Milwaukee, WI - USA, Nocturnal Rapture
Martinsburg, WV - USA, Martinsburg by Night	Mt. Dora, FL - USA, Mutual Alliance
Mossoro, RN - Brazil, Mossoro by Night	Nashville, IN - USA, Tea With Dragons
Natal, RN - Brazil, Legacy of Blood	New Orleans, LA - USA, Long Night
New Rochelle, NY - USA, Seasons of Strange	Northern Virginia, VA - USA, Night Falls
New York City, NY - USA, Kings of New York	Orland Park, IL - USA, Enigmas of Rage
Norwalk, CT - USA, Rails of Revolution	Peoria, IL - USA, The Far Dawn
Ouro Preto, MG - Brazil, Dying of the Light	Philadelphia, PA - USA, Honor in the Shadows
Peoria, IL - USA, The Shattered Mirror	Phoenix, AZ - USA, Unchained Arizona
Portland, ME - USA, Blackened Veins	Plainfield, IL - USA, Obsidian Shadows
Rio de Janeiro, RJ - Brazil, City of Wonders	Porto Alegre, RS - Brazil, Solo Doentio
Rio Grande, RS - Brazil, Sobre a Areia Sempre Hostil	Providence, RI - USA, Hidden Flame
Rohnert Park, CA - USA, Shadows Crossing	Recife, PE - Brazil, Pernambuco by Night: Forever Haunted
Saint Paul, MN - USA, Obsidian Towers	Rockland, NY - USA, Under The Rock
São Paulo, SP - Brazil, São Paulo by Night	Sacramento, CA - USA, Sacramento By Night
Savannah, GA - USA, City of Shadows	Salvador, BA - Brazil, Veritas Salvatore
Springfield, OH - USA, Ohio Knights Sabbat	San Antonio, TX - USA, Libertatis Cunabula
St. Augustine, FL - USA, On Haunted Ground	San Francisco, CA - USA, Always Comes Evening
St. Louis, MO - USA, Shadows of St. Louis	Sheboygan, WI - USA, Blood on the Lake
Tampa, FL - USA, Orlando: Magic Kingdom	Springfield, IL - USA, Capitol City Cauldron
Vale do Itajaí, SC - Brazil, Fear of the Dark	Stockton, CA - USA, Stockton by Night
Winona, MN - USA, Winona Dark Haven	Tampa, FL - USA, Tampa Bay by Night
	Twin Cities, MN, - USA, The Last Stand
	Vale do Paraíba, SP - Brazil, Vale Sangrento
	Vitória, ES - Brazil, Blood and Darkness
	Washington, DC - USA, Shadows on the Horizon
	Wichita, KS - Rebellion in the Shadows
	Worcester County, MA - USA, Quabbin
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