[Proposal][Infernalism genre Packet] and [Bylaw Amendments amended] [Objection]

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Proposal Type: Bylaw Revision

Opened: 20-Aug-2018 12:00AM EDT

Closing: 27-Aug-2018 12:00AM EDT

I Robert S as Demon Coordinator in relation to performing the tasks of this genre coordinator position here by propose the following, Genre packet and following bylaw amendments.

Below after the list of bylaw amendments, additions and subtractions to demon genre items; a link will be found to the new infernalism packet that we are in the process of translating for our Brazil gaming community.

Due to the major changes, we are asking to do a special form of grandfathering for those player thralls and diabolists characters this impacts. We would like to ask for a 90 day special grandfathering. Because of this we will not be propping this to auto approve. This extended grandfathering process will allow all player characters this impacts can renew their BA and do one of the following.

1) Convert to the new system.

2) Give notice requesting to stay as is, but be frozen from gaining future investments

Any character that fails to do either within 90 days will be out of compliance

As stated before per the R&U database this will mainly impact two player characters. NPCs are being excluded from this process of opting in for conversion as one controlled by coords will be amended as they enter play if needed, and currently all but 3 chronicle/other offices controlled infernals will be mostly unaffected by this process, per R&U database data.

Packet highlights.

1: Genre views and common access points for dealing with the infernal.

2: Update to summoning and demon creature types

3: New Bargains, Deals, and Pact system. from Rites of the blood.

4: Giving the Kj office authority to handle Yama king pacts as they should.

5: System updates to the life of a Thrall

6: Mechanic and system updates to Diabolism

7: New system for determining soul Value

8: Infernal corruption is back

9: Stream lined investment packet: Everything that mimicked power, ritual or merit was removed and put into a catch all investment for each catacory.

10: A few investments are added as they are in the fluff but not the printed mechanics.

11: Rarity system majorly adjusted for better tracking of PC infernals, while freeing up npc infernals greatly for st use.

12: New Backgrounds added to reflect current bylaws.

13: Infernal rank majorly scaled back on investment options, and adjusted to reflect RP and advancement for thralls and Diabolists in power structures of hell.

14: Very rough outline for fallen lore levels.

15: New infernal merit and materials added to mimick baali packet. Key demonic merits clarified if attached flaws count towards character gen. They do not.

16: Flaw list greatly expanded to help with infernal character creation.

17: Infernal combis cleaned up per council and st input.

18: Detection mechanics added per rites of the blood and many of the different genre detection mechanics, as provided by the different coord teams; along with a few custom ones. There is also a few created by this office to help give guide lines and ideas for chronicles wishing to follow.

Bylaw changes and amendments of amendments.

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Custom Content
1. Defined as any sort of power, item or similar listings which has not been printed in a White Wolf/Onyx Path/CCP book.
2. Creating Custom Content (Notification items apply to Vampire Players and their playable characters (PCs) only. Items designated as Coordinator (coord) Approval apply to both PCs and NPCs)
  1. Blood Magic, including both Paths and Rituals, requires the previous approval of the appropriate Coordinator for the Blood Magic in accordance with Coordinator Bylaws (Section 3.C.ii.6.a)
  2. Disciplines, Combination Disciplines and Discipline Techniques requires Notification to the Coordinator responsible for the Clan/Discipline of the character creating the custom content unless otherwise specified below:
    1. Combination Disciplines and/or Techniques which require a component of either Blood Magic or a clan-specific Discipline also requires Notification to the Coordinator responsible for the Blood Magic paradigm or clan-specific Discipline.
    2. Caitiff and Panders are overseen by the appropriate Sect Coordinator
    3. Custom Combination Discipline or Technique using Protean, Abombwe, Spiritus, and/or Ogham requires Gangrel Coordinator Approval
    4. Custom Combination Discipline or Technique using Chimerstry requires Ravnos Coordinator Approval
    5. Custom Combination Discipline, Technique or other custom content using Temporis requires Brujah Coordinator Approval
    6. Custom Combination Discipline, Technique or other custom content using Dementation requires Malkavian Coordinator Approval for Non-Malkavians
    7. Custom Combination Discipline, Technique, or other custom content using Flight and/or Visceratika requires Tremere Coordinator Approval
    8. Custom Combination Discipline, Technique or other custom content using Quietus requires Assamite Coordinator Approval
DEMON CONTROLLED ITEMS< >Abilities and Lores< >Baali Lore each level - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Baali lore 1-3 For Baali, Baali Apostates, and Angellis blood line - PC: Coordinator Notify - NPC: Coordinator Notify - Coordinator: Demon

Baali lore 1-2 Tzimisce Clan advantage in Laws of the Night, Jocastians, Loyalist Assamites, Occult Underground lore masters, Sabbat Inquisition, Josians, and Clan Nosferatu lore masters - PC: Coordinator Notify - NPC: Coordinator Notify - Coordinator: Demon

Fallen Lore 1-5 - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Demonology level 4 - PC: Coordinator Notify - NPC: Coordinator Notify - Coordinator: Demon

Demonology level 5 - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Infernal Lore level 4 - PC: Coordinator Notify - NPC: Coordinator Notify - Coordinator: Demon

Infernal Lore level 5 - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Plague Breeding level 4 - PC: Coordinator Notify - NPC: Coordinator Notify - Coordinator: Demon

Plague Breeding level 5 - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Creature Types< >Demon Rank 5 or Less - PC: Coordinator Notify - NPC: Coordinator Notify - Coordinator: Demon

Rank 6+ Demon - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Earthbound Demon - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Baali - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Including Baali Apostates via the Merit

Baali Hive Mother creation outside of the Swarm Embrace - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Extended play possession by a demon PC Majority vote, NPC Coordinator Notify-Coordinator: Demon

Considered to be continued play beyond 6 months from the date the character comes to fall under one of these categories. The vote needs to be proposed before the 6th months mark, or be shelved until the vote concludes.

Any entity possessed or inhabited by a Demon or gaining investment based powers, benefits or traits in a manner consistent with being Thrall, Diabolist, or a Demon.

Demons are defined as entities controlled by the Demon Coordinator, such as Spirits, Earth-Bound, and Fallen.

Fallen pcs possession of a non-supernatural body are exempt from this.

Angels - PC: Disallowed - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Angels are to be defined as Time of judgement based angels from heaven.

Angellis Ater/Azaneal - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Veneficti Mages - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

D'habi Revenants - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Merits and Flaws

Demonic Heritage: Laham - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Demonic Tutor - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Demonic Patron - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Unbound Diabolist - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Blessed - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Baali Apostate - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Unholy Aura - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Covenant of the old ways - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Blasphemous Pact - PC: Disallowed as a merit - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Powers< >Daimonion Based Combination Disciplines possessed by Non-Baali - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Infernal Combination Disciplines possessed by Non-Infernalists - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Usage of Investment: Relentless - PC: Coordinator Notify - NPC: Coordinator Notify - Coordinator: Demon

Investments of Rarity 2 - PC: Coordinator Notify - NPC: Coordinator Notify - Coordinator: Demon

Investments - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Infernal Investments of Rarity 3

Investments not defined in the document OWbN Infernalism: Guide to the Infernal

Out-of-Parent-Genre powers as Infernal Investments for PCs - PC: Disallowed - NPC: Council Vote - Coordinator: Demon

Non Baali/Angellis/Baali Apostates with Daimonion - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Infernalism< >Infernal Cults including Advantages or Disadvantages - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Demonic Interaction - PC: Coordinator Notify - NPC: Coordinator Notify - Coordinator: Demon

Only for instances that result in the establishment of a Pact or the performance of a Service (either one-time or recurring) for a PC

Diabolism - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Infernal Ranking - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Removing, Escaping or Undoing Infernal Pacts - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

This includes any method by which a character is able to break free of his or her Pacts.

Dark Thaumaturgy approval for Associates faction characters - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Sabbat

Backgrounds

Wells of Sacrifice lvl 4 - PC: Coordinator Notify - NPC: Coordinator Notify - Coordinator: Demon

Wells of Sacrifice lvl 5 - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Nest Membership lvl 4 - PC: Coordinator Notify - NPC: Coordinator Notify - Coordinator: Demon

Nest Membership lvl 5 - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Altar lvl 4 - PC: Coordinator Notify - NPC: Coordinator Notify - Coordinator: Demon

Altar lvl 5 - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Diabolist Circles lvl 4 - PC: Coordinator Notify - NPC: Coordinator Notify - Coordinator: Demon

Diabolist Circles lvl 5 - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Other Listings< >Demon: the Fallen Backgrounds for Non-Demons - PC: Disallowed - NPC: Disallowed - Coordinator: Demon

Includes but is not limited to Eminence, Followers, Legacy, Pacts, Paragon, Rites, Thralls

Membership in select Baali cults is restricted to Coordinator approval.

Cult of Kupalla - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Notify - Coordinator: Demon, Tzimisce

Order of the Wyrm - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Notify - Coordinator: Demon, Tremere

Non Baali/Baali Apostates on Path of Hive (Clan book Baali, Chaining the Beast, Tal Mahe Ra Guide to the Black Hand versions) - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Other Listings< >Vampires of 6th Generation or better - PC: Disallowed - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Appropriate Clan Coordinator. In cases of a Clanless character, Sect Coordinator.
This only includes non-canonical / named NPCs. All canonical / named NPCs are controlled as per the Published Canon Characters section.

Sect Defector - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Appropriate Sects Genre Coordinator and Clan Coordinator

Any Vampire Character that has changed its Sect allegiance, be it in background story or after entering play, is considered a Sect Defector.

Any Character that changes their Sect allegiance from another Sect, such as the Camarilla or the Sabbat, to the Anarch Movement, after entering play, shall be given the Flaw ‘New Kid on the Block’ for a time period of no less than one year.

Non-Kuei-Jin vampire becoming Human - PC: Majority Vote - NPC: Coordinator Notify - Coordinator: Varies
1. Vampire Characters may become human or ghoul temporarily for up to 1 month without being restricted by this bylaw. Characters may not be embraced or change to any other supernatural creature other than Ghoul during this time.
2. Vampire Characters turned mortal via the Infernal Investment "Rejuvenation" are exempt and follow the guidelines of said Investment."

Blood Magic, including both Paths and Rituals, requires the previous approval of the appropriate Coordinator for the Blood Magic in accordance with Coordinator Bylaws (Section 3.C.ii.6.a)
Disciplines, Combination Disciplines, and Discipline Techniques require Notification to the Coordinator responsible for the Clan/Discipline of the character creating the custom content unless otherwise specified below:
1. Combination Disciplines and/or Techniques which require a component of either Blood Magic or a clan-specific Discipline also requires Notification to the Coordinator responsible for the Blood Magic paradigm or clan-specific Discipline.
2. Caitiff and Panders are overseen by the appropriate Sect Coordinator
3. Custom Combination Discipline or Technique using Protean, Abombwe, Spiritus, and/or Ogham requires Gangrel Coordinator Approval
4. Custom Combination Discipline or Technique using Chimerstry requires Ravnos Coordinator Approval
5. Custom Combination Discipline, Technique or other custom content using Temporis requires Brujah Coordinator Approval
6. Custom Combination Discipline, Technique or other custom content using Dementation requires Malkavian Coordinator Approval for Non-Malkavians
7. Custom Combination Discipline, Technique, or other custom content using Flight and/or Visceratika requires Tremere Coordinator Approval
8. Custom Combination Discipline, Technique or other custom content using Quietus requires Assamite Coordinator Approval
9. Custom Combination Disciplines, Technique or other custom content using Daimonion requires Demon Coordinator Approval.

xi: Custom Demon the Fallen Lores, and Fallen Rituals or other custom content using Lores. PC: Coordinator Approval, NPC: Coordinator Approval. Coordinator Demon.

DEMON CONTROLLED ITEMS< >Abilities and Lores< >Baali Lore each level - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Baali lore 1-3 For Baali, Baali Apostates, and Angellis blood line - PC: Coordinator Notify - NPC: Coordinator Notify - Coordinator: Demon

Baali lore 1-2 Tzimisce Clan advantage in Laws of the Night, Jocastians, Loyalist Assamites, Occult Underground lore masters, Sabbat Inquisition, Josians, and Clan Nosferatu lore masters - PC: Coordinator Notify - NPC: Coordinator Notify - Coordinator: Demon

Fallen Lore 1-5 - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Demon the Fallen with Fallen Lore 4+ PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator Demon

Demonology level 4 - PC: Coordinator Notify - NPC: Coordinator Notify - Coordinator: Demon

Demonology level 5 - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Infernal Lore level 4 - PC: Coordinator Notify - NPC: Coordinator Notify - Coordinator: Demon

Infernal Lore level 5 - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Plague Breeding level 4 - PC: Coordinator Notify - NPC: Coordinator Notify - Coordinator: Demon

Plague Breeding level 5 - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon
Fallen possession of a standard mortal or thrall are exempt from this bylaw unless the mortal vessel falls into one of the following categories
Extended Play supernatural Possession By a Fallen. PC: Disallowed. NPC: Coordinator Approval. Coordinator Demon
Supernatural genres are defined as; Vampire, Changing Breeds, Mage, Kuei-jin, Mummy, Demon, Fae, Spirit, Revenant.
Extended play possession of a Supernatural by a Demon PC: Disallowed, NPC: Coordinator Notify-Coordinator: Demon
Extended play possession of semi-supernatural characters PC Coordinator approval, NPC Coordinator Notify-Coordinator: Coordinator Demon and Genre Coordinator.
Kinfolk: Coordinator Demon and Changing Breeds
Kinain Coordinator Demon and Changeling
Hedge Mage, Imbued, Numina Demon and Hunter
Ghoul Character: Demon
Extended play possession is guided by the following outlines, with demons are defined as entities controlled by the Demon Coordinator, such as Demonic Spirits, Earth-Bound, and Fallen.

Considered to be continued play beyond 3 months from the date the character comes to fall under one of these categories. The vote needs to be proposed before the 3rd month's mark, or be shelved until the vote concludes.
Any entity possessed or inhabited by a Demon or gaining investment based powers, benefits or traits in a manner consistent with being Thrall, Diabolist, or a Demon.
Extended play possession is restricted in the following manner that the Fallen soul replaces the host soul, were the Fallen lose access to the Following items a host may have had, Hedge magic, Spheres, Gnosis, Gifts, Fae Blood, Numen, Spirit Heritage, Ancestors, Avatar, Past life, Arts, and Realms. In the event of other types of demonic possessing a host removed items return at the end of the possession.

Creature Types
1. Demon Fallen - PC: Coordinator Notify - NPC: Coordinator Notify - Coordinator: Demon
2. Rank 5+ Demon - PC: Disallowed - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon
3. Earthbound Demon - PC: Disallowed- NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon
< >Angels - PC: Disallowed - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Angels are to be defined as Time of judgment based angels from heaven.

Angellis Ater/Azaneal - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon
Veneficti Mages - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon
D'habi Revenants - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon
Extended play Demonic possession.

< >Powers< >Daimonion Based Combination Disciplines possessed by Non-Baali - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon
Dark Thaumaturgy Combination Disciplines possessed by Non-Infernalists - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Usage of Investment: Relentless - PC: Coordinator Notify - NPC: Coordinator Notify - Coordinator: Demon

Investments 1-2 - PC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Investments 3 - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Investments not defined in the document OWbN Infernalism: Path of Screams and Blood

Out-of-Parent-Genre powers not printed as investments in any white wolf material for PCs - PC: Disallowed - NPC: Council Vote - Coordinator: Demon

Custom powers as Investments PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Non Baali/Angellis/Baali Apostates with Daimonion - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Infernalism< >Demonic Interaction for Pacts: Thralls- PC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

Demonic Interaction for Deals: Diabolists - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator Demon

Removing, Escaping, Redeeming, or Undoing Infernal Pacts/infernal nature.- PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon

This includes any method by which a character is able to break free of his or her Pacts or escape their infernal nature.

Dark Thaumaturgy approval for Associates faction characters - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Sabbat

Dark Thaumaturgy approval for Tremere - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator Tremere

Characters making pacts with Yama Kings: PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Kuie-jin

Backgrounds

Wells of Sacrifice lvl 4 - PC: Coordinator Notify - NPC: Coordinator Notify - Coordinator: Demon
Wells of Sacrifice lvl 5 - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon
Nest Membership lvl 4 - PC: Coordinator Notify - NPC: Coordinator Notify - Coordinator: Demon
Nest Membership lvl 5 - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon
Altar lvl 4 - PC: Coordinator Notify - NPC: Coordinator Notify - Coordinator: Demon
Altar lvl 5 - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon
Diabolist Circles lvl 4 - PC: Coordinator Notify - NPC: Coordinator Notify - Coordinator: Demon
Diabolist Circles lvl 5 - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon
Infernal Ranking - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon
Infernal Relic 4-5 - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon
Fallen Rank 3+ PC Coordinator Approval - NPC: Coordinator Approval - Coordinator: Demon
Demon: the Fallen Backgrounds for Non-Demons - PC: Disallowed - NPC: Disallowed - Coordinator: Demon
Includes but is not limited to Eminence, Followers, Legacy, Pacts, Paragon, Rites, Thralls

Glass Ceiling
Vampire are restricted by the following:
1. Any PC who drops below 8th generation must be retired to NPC.
2. The highest attainable level of any discipline for a player character shall be advanced.
Changing Breed PCs are restricted by the following:
1. Any PC who reaches the 6th rank (the Legend equivalent) must be retired to NPC.
2. The highest attainable level of any gift or rite for a player character shall be advanced.
Kuei-jin PCs are restricted by the following:
1. Any PC who attains a Sixth rank of Dharma must be retired to NPC status
2. The highest attainable level of any discipline or rite for a player character shall be advanced.
Demon Genre PCs are restricted by the following:

Any PC that changes creature type to a Demon becomes an NPC
PC may not gain Legend gifts, Elder+ powers/rituals, level 6 Spheres, as investments.

x. Other listings

Non-Kuei-Jin characters becoming Human - PC: Majority Vote - NPC: Coordinator Notify - Coordinator: Varies
1. Vampire Characters may become human or ghoul temporarily for up to 1 month without being restricted by this bylaw. Characters may not be embraced or change to any other supernatural creature other than Ghoul during this time.
2. Characters turned mortal via the Infernal Investment "Rejuvenation" are exempt and follow the guidelines of said Investment."

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39 out of 160 eligible voters cast their ballot

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Chronicle/Position	Voted for	Comment
Dubuque, IA - USA, Kingdom of Ashes	For
New York City, NY - USA, Kings of New York	Against
Curitiba, PR - Brazil, Curitiba By Night	For
Iowa City, IA - USA, Fields of Rage	Against
Cape Cod, MA - USA, Rage Across the Cape	Abstain
Stockton, CA - USA, Stockton by Night	Against
Milwaukee, WI - USA, Nocturnal Rapture	For
Peoria, IL - USA, The Shattered Mirror	Against
Decatur, IL - USA, The Chaos Within	For
Bartow, FL - USA, Polk County Prophecies	Against
Cleveland, OH - USA, Under an Eerie Moon	Against
Cedar Rapids, IA - USA, Five Nights	For
Chicago, IL - USA, Dark Requiem	Against
Fredericksburg, VA - USA, Caine's Chosen: Liberty in Death	For
Norwalk, CT - USA, Rails of Revolution	Against
Griffin, GA - USA, Immortal Nights Theater	Against	Ditto on the grandfathering issue.
Dayton, OH - USA, Dying Embers	Against
Brasília, DF - Brazil, Pacis Aeternae	For
Allentown, PA - USA, Steel Valley by Night	Against	While the packet looks good, we must object on the grandfathering aspect of this proposal.
Macon, GA - USA, Stolen Hours	For
Cincinnati, OH - USA, Shadows of Cincinnati	Against
Madison, Wi - USA, Black Crusade	Against
Lancaster, OH - USA, Never Ending Nights	Against	If this prop allowed no grandfathering, NEN would support it.
Denver, CO - USA, Front Range Sabbat	Against	No grandfathering
Ouro Preto, MG - Brazil, Dying of the Light	Against
Savannah, GA - USA, City of Shadows	Abstain
Washington, DC - USA, Shadows on the Mall	Against
Kenosha, WI - USA, Memento Mori	For
Green Bay, WI - USA, Shattered Dreams	For
Columbus, OH - USA, Wyld Prophets	Against	No grandfathering. Infernalism is bonkers enough.
Gimli, MB - Canada, Sang Nordique	Against	This reverses the previous Glass Ceiling Bylaw adjustment, likely by mistake. However, Sang Nordique votes against until the bylaw proposal is corrected.
St. Augustine, FL - USA, On Haunted Ground	Abstain
Ann Arbor, MI - USA, Tower of Broken Glass	For	On No grandfathering idea people are objecting on - if someone isn't grandfathered in, they can say, "Nope, I am no longer infernal". And if PCs were going after them for infernalism, well, those PCs are suddenly lying. They can't have their cake and eat it too. There should be no way to get out of that type of contract. This comment has been revised 1 time. *Click here to see revision history* Version 1 dated: Aug 26 2018, 11:04pm EDT I don't like no grandfathering idea people are objecting on - if someone isn't grandfathered in, they can say, "Nope, I am no longer infernal". And if PCs were going after them for infernalism, well, those PCs are suddenly lying. They can't have their cake and eat it too. There should be no way to get out of that type of contract. Version 2 dated: Aug 26 2018, 11:05pm EDT On No grandfathering idea people are objecting on - if someone isn't grandfathered in, they can say, "Nope, I am no longer infernal". And if PCs were going after them for infernalism, well, those PCs are suddenly lying. They can't have their cake and eat it too. There should be no way to get out of that type of contract.
Bradenton, FL - USA, Chaos & Entropy	For
Gainesville, FL - USA, Won't Back Down	Abstain
Bridgeport, CT - USA, Bridgeport by Night: The Broken City	For
Baltimore, MD - USA, Dark Harbor	Against
Lancaster, OH - USA, Webs of Fate	Against	WoF agrees on the Grandfathering issue.
Tampa, FL - USA, Orlando: Magic Kingdom	Against	due to grandfathering

Votes Received	Voted NOT Received
Allentown, PA - USA, Steel Valley by Night	Alto Tietê, SP - Brazil, Sang Royal
Ann Arbor, MI - USA, Tower of Broken Glass	Annapolis, MD - USA, Vitae Aeternus
Baltimore, MD - USA, Dark Harbor	Atlanta, GA - USA, Demise of the Sovereign
Bartow, FL - USA, Polk County Prophecies	Atlanta, GA - USA, Whispers of Atlanta
Bradenton, FL - USA, Chaos & Entropy	Auburn, CA - USA, Lux Tenebras
Brasília, DF - Brazil, Pacis Aeternae	Berkeley, CA - USA, Wasting the Dawn
Bridgeport, CT - USA, Bridgeport by Night: The Broken City	Bloomington, IL - USA, Zephyr of Darkness
Cape Cod, MA - USA, Rage Across the Cape	Boston, MA - USA, Reclaimed
Cedar Rapids, IA - USA, Five Nights	Brasília, DF - Brazil, Caldas Novas
Chicago, IL - USA, Dark Requiem	Cambridge, MA - USA, The Midnight Rose
Cincinnati, OH - USA, Shadows of Cincinnati	Campinas, SP - Brazil, Império das Cinzas
Cleveland, OH - USA, Under an Eerie Moon	Cedar Falls, IA - USA, Blackhawk Co. by Night
Columbus, OH - USA, Wyld Prophets	Chicago, IL - USA, New Moon Rising
Curitiba, PR - Brazil, Curitiba By Night	Chicago, IL - USA, Prey to Predator
Dayton, OH - USA, Dying Embers	Cincinnati, OH - USA, Rage and Fury
Decatur, IL - USA, The Chaos Within	Clarksburg, WV - USA, Echoes of Silent Valleys
Denver, CO - USA, Front Range Sabbat	Cleveland, OH - USA, Carpe Noctum
Dubuque, IA - USA, Kingdom of Ashes	Cleveland, OH - USA, Heartland Alliance
Fredericksburg, VA - USA, Caine's Chosen: Liberty in Death	Columbus, OH - USA, Columbus in Darkness
Gainesville, FL - USA, Won't Back Down	Dois Vizinhos, PR - Brazil, The Kingdom by Night - Immortal Royalty
Gimli, MB - Canada, Sang Nordique	Duluth, MN - USA, Thicker than Blood
Green Bay, WI - USA, Shattered Dreams	Edwardsville, IL - USA, Caught in Eternal Twilight
Griffin, GA - USA, Immortal Nights Theater	Fargo, ND - USA, Within Shadow's Reach
Kenosha, WI - USA, Memento Mori	Fortaleza, CE - Brazil, Land of The Sun
Lancaster, OH - USA, Never Ending Nights	Gary, IN - USA, Shattered Souls
Macon, GA - USA, Stolen Hours	Grady, GA - USA, Whispers of Grady
Madison, Wi - USA, Black Crusade	Hartford, CT - USA, Dark Colony
Milwaukee, WI - USA, Nocturnal Rapture	Indianapolis, IN - USA, Past is Prologue
New York City, NY - USA, Kings of New York	João Pessoa, PB - Brazil, Eternal Shadows
Norwalk, CT - USA, Rails of Revolution	Joinville, SC - Brazil, Danse Macabre
Ouro Preto, MG - Brazil, Dying of the Light	La Crosse, WI - USA, The Rivers Edge
Peoria, IL - USA, The Shattered Mirror	Lakeland, FL - USA, Lagos de los Muertos
Savannah, GA - USA, City of Shadows	Lancaster, OH - USA, Mountains Dark Heart
St. Augustine, FL - USA, On Haunted Ground	Lewiston/Auburn, ME - USA, Shadows and Light
Stockton, CA - USA, Stockton by Night	Lexington, KY - USA, Panders Playground
Tampa, FL - USA, Orlando: Magic Kingdom	Londrina, PR - Brazil, Blood and Vendetta
	Los Angeles, CA - USA, Dark Side of the Moon
	Los Angeles, CA - USA, La Sangre De Los Angeles
	Maldonado - Uruguay, Maldonado by Night: Magus et Artifex
	Martinsburg, WV - USA, Martinsburg by Night
	Mossoro, RN - Brazil, Mossoro by Night
	Mt. Dora, FL - USA, Mutual Alliance
	Nashville, IN - USA, Tea With Dragons
	Natal, RN - Brazil, Legacy of Blood
	New Orleans, LA - USA, Long Night
	New Rochelle, NY - USA, Seasons of Strange
	Northern Virginia, VA - USA, Night Falls
	Orland Park, IL - USA, Enigmas of Rage
	Peoria, IL - USA, The Far Dawn
	Philadelphia, PA - USA, Honor in the Shadows
	Phoenix, AZ - USA, Unchained Arizona
	Plainfield, IL - USA, Obsidian Shadows
	Portland, ME - USA, Blackened Veins
	Porto Alegre, RS - Brazil, Solo Doentio
	Providence, RI - USA, Hidden Flame
	Recife, PE - Brazil, Pernambuco by Night: Forever Haunted
	Rio de Janeiro, RJ - Brazil, City of Wonders
	Rio Grande, RS - Brazil, Sobre a Areia Sempre Hostil
	Rockland, NY - USA, Under The Rock
	Rohnert Park, CA - USA, Shadows Crossing
	Sacramento, CA - USA, Sacramento By Night
	Saint Paul, MN - USA, Obsidian Towers
	Salvador, BA - Brazil, Veritas Salvatore
	San Antonio, TX - USA, Libertatis Cunabula
	San Francisco, CA - USA, Always Comes Evening
	São Paulo, SP - Brazil, São Paulo by Night
	Sheboygan, WI - USA, Blood on the Lake
	Springfield, IL - USA, Capitol City Cauldron
	Springfield, OH - USA, Ohio Knights Sabbat
	St. Louis, MO - USA, Shadows of St. Louis
	Tampa, FL - USA, Tampa Bay by Night
	Twin Cities, MN, - USA, The Last Stand
	Vale do Itajaí, SC - Brazil, Fear of the Dark
	Vale do Paraíba, SP - Brazil, Vale Sangrento
	Vitória, ES - Brazil, Blood and Darkness
	Washington, DC - USA, Shadows on the Horizon
	Wichita, KS - Rebellion in the Shadows
	Winona, MN - USA, Winona Dark Haven
	Worcester County, MA - USA, Quabbin
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