Path of the Wyrm for OWbN/MET
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Proposal Type: Bylaw Revision
Opened: 16-Apr-2002 1:00AM EDT
Closing: 17-Apr-2002 1:00AM EDT
RUCoord Notes: I've read through this, and it looks good. I've classified that last stage/dance as R&U for PCs, since Incarna spirits as PCs are R&U. I'm regarding this proposal nuetrally. This proposal requires a majority vote to pass.
Ben Russell
Coord, R&U
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Storyteller Notes:
This has been approved by both Ian (Sabbat Sub-Coord, KoNY ST) and the Garou Coord already. I don't know if it's been run by the Sabbat Coord but Jason requested that we submit this so that if anyone else wanted to use it we would be consistent. I have a PC who will be on this path.
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Game Rules for Kindred Player Characters in the service of the Wyrm.
Part 1: The Path of the Wyrm
Path of Enlightenment for Kindred in the service of the Wyrm
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1 out of 160 eligible voters cast their ballot
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46% (24 votes)
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35% (18 votes)
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| Chronicle/Position | Voted for | Comment |
|---|---|---|
| New York City, NY - USA, Kings of New York | For | |
| Stockton, CA - USA, Stockton by Night | For | This has GREAT potential to be used for storylines as well as bringing some personal horror back into the game and setting some guidelines for non-demon based ''infernalism'' in the form Malfeaism. :-) |
| Milwaukee, WI - USA, Nocturnal Rapture | Abstain | |
| Tampa, FL - USA, Tampa Bay by Night | Abstain | |
| Winona, MN - USA, Winona Dark Haven | For | |
| Norwalk, CT - USA, Rails of Revolution | Abstain | |
| Fargo, ND - USA, Within Shadow's Reach | Abstain | |
| Cleveland, OH - USA, Carpe Noctum | Abstain | I am concerned, like others, about the free powers. It also seems to be more then a bit odd for a vampire, even with excessive amounts of Garou lore (which I would think should be hard to get give the Garou / Vampire enmity). |
| Columbus, OH - USA, Columbus in Darkness | Against | Being a follower of the Wyrm is not a moral path, it is simply a decision. A person on any path can follow a urge wyrm/malphaen creature and not require any particular moral set. Heck, based on details on some of the Book of the Wyrm (MET), a number of urge wyrms present themselves as 'avatars of the archangels.' As such, even a moral person may be corrupted by the taint of evil. Additionally, to gift powers with progress along the path is brutally wrong. Power is gained in trade with these beings. You meet expectations and progress along the spiral, not a set moral path. This may be what the BSDs preach, but it is in no way a true formation of a path of enlightenment/morality path. As a Garou SubCoord and a Sabbat SubCoord, I see a host of problems immediately arising as players 'hunt down' this path to quickly earn the power to face down elders (or at least those with more XP...) |
| Springfield, IL - USA, Capitol City Cauldron | Against | I would be less opposed if the suggested alterations for a character reaching higher levels were implemented. If the character in question had to pass through council again, so that we could be assured it fit into the WOD as OWBN sees it, I would have less problems with it. Either way, I am against a morality path giving a character powers. |
| Washington, DC - USA, Shadows on the Mall | Abstain | |
| Phoenix, AZ - USA, Secundus Surrectum | For | |
| Iowa City, IA - USA, L'Ange Noir | Abstain | |
| Northern Virginia, VA - USA, Night Falls | Abstain | Now that I've had more time to read over the path, I find that while this is mostly quite well balanced there are some issues.In particular is the third step which should take years to successfully complete. I can't see someone learning this power in less than a few years ( actual or in character) worth of working towards thier unattainable goal. This is essentially a pc breaker to me in that allowing a pc to pass this level in less time than that kind of violates the purpose of the level. It's hard to judge real dedication to a cause in a few short months. Also coming to mind, is level 5 which grants a bonus physical trait that is equivlent to that granted by intensity save that it can also be used on defensive challenges. (along with the two trait bonus from earlier) The drawback at that level is that the character can no longer flee combat without winning a willpower test I feel that while this drawback is appropriate, there should still be some xp expenditure on behalf of the pc. The benefits of having a trait that can never be lost in system where trait totals are paramount is quite potent. Were I an ST in charge of such a PC character, I'd probably require a 7 xp spend to obtain the power (as an out of clan intermediate discipline) I know this will be a mostly npc path, but I hope that ST's will keep these ideas for pc's who are on this path. |
| Annapolis, MD - USA, Vitae Aeternus | Abstain | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Abstain | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Abstain | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | For | I say yes only with the thought that this should be more of giving the PC's another lenth of rope to hang themselves with. And I mean that only in the best personal horror story thoughts in mind. |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | For | I say yes only with the thought that this should be more of giving the PC's another lenth of rope to hang themselves with. And I mean that only in the best personal horror story thoughts in mind. |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Abstain | 1) We are not a Garou game. We are not a vampire game. 2) While I feel the path is out of genre, it seems fairly substantiated. I dislike some of the powers (#6), and would probably excercise art 1 on that if (for some ungodly reason) a vamp on the path ended up in my game. I also feel that much more of this needs to be varying stages of R&U. 3) I dislike the fact that characters who have reached level 9 (which has been reached once, by a BSD) are (a) still playable and (b) well, possible. But this is all peanut gallery stuff. |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Abstain | 1) We are not a Garou game. We are not a vampire game. 2) While I feel the path is out of genre, it seems fairly substantiated. I dislike some of the powers (#6), and would probably excercise art 1 on that if (for some ungodly reason) a vamp on the path ended up in my game. I also feel that much more of this needs to be varying stages of R&U. 3) I dislike the fact that characters who have reached level 9 (which has been reached once, by a BSD) are (a) still playable and (b) well, possible. But this is all peanut gallery stuff. |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | For | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | For | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | For | I think that overall this is a very well proposed path and could facilitate more interaction between werewolf and vampire chronicles. As stated, all powers are at ST descretion and each level starting at 6th must be approved by the Garou Coord. If anyone wishes to add an amendement to this after the vote that once you reach level 9 you're considered an NPC (actually just suggested by the creator) I will second that myself. |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | For | I think that overall this is a very well proposed path and could facilitate more interaction between werewolf and vampire chronicles. As stated, all powers are at ST descretion and each level starting at 6th must be approved by the Garou Coord. If anyone wishes to add an amendement to this after the vote that once you reach level 9 you're considered an NPC (actually just suggested by the creator) I will second that myself. |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Abstain | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Abstain | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | Cool powers? For FREE? |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | Cool powers? For FREE? |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | For | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | For | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | For | It's going to be a rare path, it's not like every Camarillaneonate is going to be taught this path as a matter of course, or even most Sabbat members. No problemo. |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | For | It's going to be a rare path, it's not like every Camarillaneonate is going to be taught this path as a matter of course, or even most Sabbat members. No problemo. |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against | |
| Chronicle/Position Unknown | Against |