Change to R&U - True Faith
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Proposal Type: Bylaw Revision
Opened: 28-Jun-2016 12:55AM EDT
Closing: 05-Jul-2016 1:00AM EDT
I, Jonah Pasternak, CM for Heartland Alliance submit the following proposal.
Remove all OWbN R&U Bylaw regulation around the True Faith merit (3 instances lasted in our bylaws).
Reason: This merit is not broken. This has not seen any abuse reported in years. The storytellers should be trusted to allow (or disallow) this based on their own game. This makes it easier for npcs to be utilized as needed.
Note: No grandfathering is necessary.
Thanks,
Jonah of Heartland Alliance
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61 out of 160 eligible voters cast their ballot
Against
74% (45 votes)
For
23% (14 votes)
Abstain
3% (2 votes)
| Chronicle/Position | Voted for | Comment |
|---|---|---|
| Dubuque, IA - USA, Kingdom of Ashes | Against | I would trust in Storytellers' ability to say 'no' if they actually, you know, did. |
| New York City, NY - USA, Kings of New York | Against | |
| St. Louis, MO - USA, Shadows of St. Louis | Against | |
| Campinas, SP - Brazil, Império das Cinzas | Against | |
| Saint Paul, MN - USA, Obsidian Towers | Against | |
| Mt. Dora, FL - USA, Mutual Alliance | Against | |
| Sheboygan, WI - USA, Blood on the Lake | Against | |
| Cape Cod, MA - USA, Rage Across the Cape | Against | |
| Berkeley, CA - USA, Wasting the Dawn | Against | |
| Milwaukee, WI - USA, Nocturnal Rapture | Against | |
| Martinsburg, WV - USA, Martinsburg by Night | Against | |
| Decatur, IL - USA, The Chaos Within | For | |
| Tampa, FL - USA, Tampa Bay by Night | Against | |
| Philadelphia, PA - USA, Honor in the Shadows | For | |
| Evansville, IN - USA, Paradise Lost | Against | The bylaw as it stands is Notify for PC's and NPC's for regular True Faith, Notify for NPC's with unusual True Faith, and majority vote for PC's with unusual True Faith. The information regarding Kinfolk with Numina indicates they are Notify. The arguments in favor of this prop have not articulated that it will actually make NPC's any easier to be utilized, as NPC's are only *ever* Notify already. The only thing this prop meaningfully de-regulates is PC's with unusual True Faith, which is often silly. Furthermore, the prop doesn't differentiate between the different versions and uses of True Faith that exist in the rules as written. |
| Cleveland, OH - USA, Under an Eerie Moon | For | |
| Philadelphia, PA - USA, Nusquam | Against | |
| Chicago, IL - USA, Dark Requiem | For | |
| Indianapolis, IN - USA, Stars Never Rise | Against | Because I don't want to start seeing PCs with Megalomania having True Faith: Self. |
| Winona, MN - USA, Winona Dark Haven | For | |
| Sorocaba, SP - Brazil, Sorocaba by Night: The Abyss Within | Against | It is already notify only for NPC, and that is not a problem for the STs at all. |
| Auburn, CA - USA, Lux Tenebras | Against | |
| Cedar Falls, IA - USA, Blackhawk Co. by Night | Against | |
| Norwalk, CT - USA, Rails of Revolution | For | I think STs understand the weight and importance of this ability enough to be responsible for this. |
| Providence, RI - USA, Hidden Flame | Against | We believe the burden is minimal, the bar sufficiently low, and the information gathered from such regulation to justify both. |
| Atlanta, GA - USA, Whispers of Atlanta | For | |
| Fargo, ND - USA, Within Shadow's Reach | Against | |
| Dayton, OH - USA, Dying Embers | Against | |
| Allentown, PA - USA, Steel Valley by Night | For | We like deregulation and firmly believe in storytellers right to say no at their door. |
| Macon, GA - USA, Stolen Hours | Against | |
| Cleveland, OH - USA, Heartland Alliance | For | This proposal isn't about dictating which rule set controls what merit. This proposal is about the removal of a Rare and Unusual regulation. If games are interested in leading the organization as a whole to a single source for rules (Global House Rules?) please recall that this was already discussed, voted, and denied. You have the right to say NO at your door. You have the right to HOUSE RULE how this merit works. |
| Columbus, OH - USA, Columbus in Darkness | Against | |
| Ouro Preto, MG - Brazil, Dying of the Light | Against | |
| Portland, ME - USA, Blackened Veins | Against | |
| Lexington, KY - USA, Panders Playground | Against | |
| Springfield, IL - USA, Capitol City Cauldron | Against | It's already pretty low regulated. See no reason to change. |
| Savannah, GA - USA, City of Shadows | Against | |
| Washington, DC - USA, Shadows on the Mall | Abstain | |
| Kenosha, WI - USA, Memento Mori | Against | I explained in detail, on Council, how each "reason" for this proposal is complete nonsense, and the proposer had zero response. |
| Boston, MA - USA, Reclaimed | Against | |
| Green Bay, WI - USA, Shattered Dreams | Against | |
| Columbus, OH - USA, Wyld Prophets | For | |
| New Orleans, LA - USA, Long Night | For | |
| Athens, GA - USA, Athens After Dark | Against | |
| Natal, RN - Brazil, Legacy of Blood | Against | |
| Gimli, MB - Canada, Sang Nordique | Against | |
| Iowa City, IA - USA, L'Ange Noir | Against | |
| St. Augustine, FL - USA, On Haunted Ground | Against | |
| Annapolis, MD - USA, Vitae Aeternus | Against | |
| Bradenton, FL - USA, Chaos & Entropy | Against | After careful consideration I agree with Evansville. Without specifying which version of True Faith this effects and/or disallowing the other types (maybe per genre) this prop doesn't actually help the situation. Stamford, I remember the days of unregulated True Faith and while I wish I could agree with your statement, I cannot. |
| Springfield, OH - USA, Ohio Knights Sabbat | For | |
| Edwardsville, IL - USA, Caught in Eternal Twilight | Abstain | |
| Phoenix, AZ - USA, Unchained Arizona | For | |
| Chicago, IL - USA, New Moon Rising | For | We have never had any rules on how true faith work, which books we use, or any other details. Council can't even agree on the definition of "unusual" where faith is concerned. Despite all these things even at its lowest possibly rarity - it hasn't been abused to the point of reporting it, that council has been made aware. Clearly its time to just loose unneeded text from the bylaws and show that the org trusts STs to do what they have already been doing. This comment has been revised 1 time. Click here to see revision history Version 2 dated: Jul 04 2016, 6:28pm EDT We have never had any rules on how true faith work, which books we use, or any other details. Council can't even agree on the definition of "unusual" where faith is concerned. Despite all these things even at its lowest possibly rarity - it hasn't been abused to the point of reporting it, that council has been made aware. Clearly its time to just loose unneeded text from the bylaws and show that the org trusts STs to do what they have already been doing. |
| Lakeland, FL - USA, Lagos de los Muertos | Against | |
| Worcester County, MA - USA, Quabbin | Against | |
| Gainesville, FL - USA, Won't Back Down | Against | |
| Hartford, CT - USA, Dark Colony | Against | |
| Vale do Itajaí, SC - Brazil, Fear of the Dark | Against | |
| Bridgeport, CT - USA, Bridgeport by Night: The Broken City | Against | can I haz TrueFaith:Boba Fett? |
| Baltimore, MD - USA, Dark Harbor | Against |
We have never had any rules on how true faith work, which books we use, or any other details. Council can't even agree on the definition of "unusual" where faith is concerned. Despite all these things even at its lowest possibly rarity - it hasn't been abused to the point of reporting it, that council has been made aware. Clearly its time to just loose unneeded text from the bylaws and show that the org trusts STs to do what they have already been doing.