Single-Blooded Giovanni

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Proposal Type: Bylaw Revision

Opened: 15-May-2006 1:00AM EDT

Closing: 15-May-2006 1:00AM EDT

Proposal: Single-Blooded Giovanni to be placed in the Rare Category and PC-sired Single-Blooded Giovanni placed in the Unusual Category.
Proposed by: Joshua Manning: CiET ST/CM and Giovanni Coordinator

Venice has begun to send only Double-bloods to the US. The Single-bloods are staying in Venice. Thus, the Giovanni Single-bloods in the US are becoming more rare. Single-blooded Giovanni will be defined as members of the mortal Giovanni line who were embraced by someone of the Giovanni Clan and mortal lineage. I would also like to state that Giovanni single-bloods who are already in play are grandfathered in. This makes it more difficult and prestigious to be a single-blooded Giovanni as it should be. It also forces people who would like to play single-blooded Giovanni to play a proxy (Giovanni ghoul) before coming into play if they'd like to avoid the vote. It will encourage the playing of Proxies and mortal Giovanni and they will have to earn their embrace ICly. That way the Giovanni proxy will have to be good and impress the Giovanni Vamps to get embraced AND get permission from Venice for said embrace.

Joshua Manning
Giovanni Coordinator
CiET ST/CM
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tpo Gregory Jackson

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1 out of 160 eligible voters cast their ballot

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59% (44 votes)

Abstain

30% (22 votes)

For

11% (8 votes)

Chronicle/Position	Voted for	Comment
St. Petersburg, FL - USA, Faces of Change	Against
St. Louis, MO - USA, Shadows of St. Louis	Against	The staff here has to agree with UNC.
Los Angeles, CA - USA, La Sangre De Los Angeles	Against
Saint Paul, MN - USA, Obsidian Towers	Against
Iowa City, IA - USA, Fields of Rage	Abstain
Stockton, CA - USA, Stockton by Night	Abstain
Tampa, FL - USA, Tampa Bay by Night	Against	Once again... if this is such a problem, we should be working with the individual games that we see as having ''issues'' with this... helping to educate them why we see them in error. OWbN is not the Camarilla and we should be VERY careful not to make a good deal of unnecessary complications that affect all chronicles to make up for a few unreasonable individuals (if that is the situation here).
Chicago, IL - USA, Dark Requiem	Against
Fredericksburg, VA - USA, Caine's Chosen: Liberty in Death	Abstain
Indianapolis, IN - USA, Stars Never Rise	Against
Auburn, CA - USA, Lux Tenebras	Abstain	This is more of a dramatic change in R&U category than is necessary, especially abruptly, when it could more easily be eased into. However, as a Sabbat game, it does not affect us.
Norwalk, CT - USA, Rails of Revolution	Abstain
San Francisco, CA - USA, Always Comes Evening	For	After talking to players.. Yes, we want this. Also in agreement with Shadow's Reach.
Atlanta, GA - USA, Whispers of Atlanta	Abstain	We have no reason to be involved in this.
Fargo, ND - USA, Within Shadow's Reach	For	Having the last name Giovanni isn't being made rare...its having your mother be Giovanni, your father be Giovanni, and your sire be Giovanni. That shouldn't be common. It's also not making them impossible, as being embraced in game, earning that prestige, is only notify.
Cleveland, OH - USA, Carpe Noctum	Against
Dayton, OH - USA, Dying Embers	Against
Macon, GA - USA, Stolen Hours	Against
Cincinnati, OH - USA, Shadows of Cincinnati	Against
Columbus, OH - USA, Columbus in Darkness	For	We are in agreement with the comments made by Within Shadows Reach.
Gary, IN - USA, Shattered Souls	Against	The Clan is named Giovanni not Dunsirn, Milliner, or Pisnob. Giovanni are far from rare.
Washington, DC - USA, Shadows on the Mall	Against
Kenosha, WI - USA, Memento Mori	Against
Harrisonburg, VA: Death in the Valley	Abstain
Gimli, MB - Canada, Sang Nordique	Against	While there are good and bad points to this prop, the bad outways the good.
St. Augustine, FL - USA, On Haunted Ground	Abstain	we're giovanni 'lite' round these parts... and can see the argument both ways. not sure it requires R&U.
Northern Virginia, VA - USA, Night Falls	Against	Not only are single blooded giovanni 30% of theclan, but there is no advantage to playing them other than receiving a bit more respect from other giovanni. We have a genre packet that encourages people to play characters that are of the lesser families and even gives interesting alternate character creation rules to those characters. NVA
Annapolis, MD - USA, Vitae Aeternus	Against	There is no reason that a Giovanni family Giovanni Vampire should be Rare. They are not rare creatures in any way, shape of form. Also I would like to note that I didn't second this proposal, I objected to it.
Edwardsville, IL - USA, Caught in Eternal Twilight	For	We are in favor of this as it is an attempt by the Giovanni Coordinator to make ''Single-Bloods'' more of a prestige for PCs. If you have 400 Single bloods running around, its not that big of a deal. If there were less, it'd be more of a respected thing. Additionally, we like the idea of someone having to play a proxy before they get embraced into the Giovanni. It adds another element to the Giovanni genre that is often overlooked.
Baltimore, MD - USA, Dark Harbor	Against
AHC 1	Abstain
Chronicle/Position Unknown	Against
Chronicle/Position Unknown	Against
Chronicle/Position Unknown	Against	From our HST...''I don't see why the most abundant part of the Clan could be considered Rare on any level. Perhaps if Josh feels the Single-Blooded should be given more respect, he could introduce/enforce a clan prestige system that favors Single-Blooded Giovanni.''
Chronicle/Position Unknown	Against	From our HST...''I don't see why the most abundant part of the Clan could be considered Rare on any level. Perhaps if Josh feels the Single-Blooded should be given more respect, he could introduce/enforce a clan prestige system that favors Single-Blooded Giovanni.''
Chronicle/Position Unknown	Against
Chronicle/Position Unknown	Against
LONE	Abstain
Reclamation	Abstain
Chronicle/Position Unknown	Against	I concur with Vitae and Nights Cloak
Chronicle/Position Unknown	Against	I concur with Vitae and Nights Cloak

Votes Received	Voted NOT Received
Annapolis, MD - USA, Vitae Aeternus	Allentown, PA - USA, Steel Valley by Night
Atlanta, GA - USA, Whispers of Atlanta	Alto Tietê, SP - Brazil, Sang Royal
Auburn, CA - USA, Lux Tenebras	Ann Arbor, MI - USA, Tower of Broken Glass
Baltimore, MD - USA, Dark Harbor	Atlanta, GA - USA, Demise of the Sovereign
Chicago, IL - USA, Dark Requiem	Bartow, FL - USA, Polk County Prophecies
Cincinnati, OH - USA, Shadows of Cincinnati	Berkeley, CA - USA, Wasting the Dawn
Cleveland, OH - USA, Carpe Noctum	Bloomington, IL - USA, Zephyr of Darkness
Columbus, OH - USA, Columbus in Darkness	Boston, MA - USA, Reclaimed
Dayton, OH - USA, Dying Embers	Bradenton, FL - USA, Chaos & Entropy
Edwardsville, IL - USA, Caught in Eternal Twilight	Brasília, DF - Brazil, Caldas Novas
Fargo, ND - USA, Within Shadow's Reach	Brasília, DF - Brazil, Pacis Aeternae
Fredericksburg, VA - USA, Caine's Chosen: Liberty in Death	Bridgeport, CT - USA, Bridgeport by Night: The Broken City
Gary, IN - USA, Shattered Souls	Cambridge, MA - USA, The Midnight Rose
Gimli, MB - Canada, Sang Nordique	Campinas, SP - Brazil, Império das Cinzas
Kenosha, WI - USA, Memento Mori	Cape Cod, MA - USA, Rage Across the Cape
Los Angeles, CA - USA, La Sangre De Los Angeles	Cedar Falls, IA - USA, Blackhawk Co. by Night
Macon, GA - USA, Stolen Hours	Cedar Rapids, IA - USA, Five Nights
Northern Virginia, VA - USA, Night Falls	Chicago, IL - USA, New Moon Rising
Norwalk, CT - USA, Rails of Revolution	Chicago, IL - USA, Prey to Predator
Saint Paul, MN - USA, Obsidian Towers	Cincinnati, OH - USA, Rage and Fury
San Francisco, CA - USA, Always Comes Evening	Clarksburg, WV - USA, Echoes of Silent Valleys
St. Augustine, FL - USA, On Haunted Ground	Cleveland, OH - USA, Heartland Alliance
St. Louis, MO - USA, Shadows of St. Louis	Cleveland, OH - USA, Under an Eerie Moon
Stockton, CA - USA, Stockton by Night	Columbus, OH - USA, Wyld Prophets
Tampa, FL - USA, Tampa Bay by Night	Curitiba, PR - Brazil, Curitiba By Night
AHC 1	Decatur, IL - USA, The Chaos Within
	Denver, CO - USA, Front Range Sabbat
	Dois Vizinhos, PR - Brazil, The Kingdom by Night - Immortal Royalty
	Dubuque, IA - USA, Kingdom of Ashes
	Duluth, MN - USA, Thicker than Blood
	Fortaleza, CE - Brazil, Land of The Sun
	Gainesville, FL - USA, Won't Back Down
	Grady, GA - USA, Whispers of Grady
	Green Bay, WI - USA, Shattered Dreams
	Griffin, GA - USA, Immortal Nights Theater
	Hartford, CT - USA, Dark Colony
	Indianapolis, IN - USA, Past is Prologue
	João Pessoa, PB - Brazil, Eternal Shadows
	Joinville, SC - Brazil, Danse Macabre
	La Crosse, WI - USA, The Rivers Edge
	Lakeland, FL - USA, Lagos de los Muertos
	Lancaster, OH - USA, Mountains Dark Heart
	Lancaster, OH - USA, Never Ending Nights
	Lewiston/Auburn, ME - USA, Shadows and Light
	Lexington, KY - USA, Panders Playground
	Londrina, PR - Brazil, Blood and Vendetta
	Los Angeles, CA - USA, Dark Side of the Moon
	Madison, Wi - USA, Black Crusade
	Maldonado - Uruguay, Maldonado by Night: Magus et Artifex
	Martinsburg, WV - USA, Martinsburg by Night
	Milwaukee, WI - USA, Nocturnal Rapture
	Mossoro, RN - Brazil, Mossoro by Night
	Mt. Dora, FL - USA, Mutual Alliance
	Nashville, IN - USA, Tea With Dragons
	Natal, RN - Brazil, Legacy of Blood
	New Orleans, LA - USA, Long Night
	New Rochelle, NY - USA, Seasons of Strange
	New York City, NY - USA, Kings of New York
	Orland Park, IL - USA, Enigmas of Rage
	Ouro Preto, MG - Brazil, Dying of the Light
	Peoria, IL - USA, The Far Dawn
	Peoria, IL - USA, The Shattered Mirror
	Philadelphia, PA - USA, Honor in the Shadows
	Phoenix, AZ - USA, Unchained Arizona
	Plainfield, IL - USA, Obsidian Shadows
	Portland, ME - USA, Blackened Veins
	Porto Alegre, RS - Brazil, Solo Doentio
	Providence, RI - USA, Hidden Flame
	Recife, PE - Brazil, Pernambuco by Night: Forever Haunted
	Rio de Janeiro, RJ - Brazil, City of Wonders
	Rio Grande, RS - Brazil, Sobre a Areia Sempre Hostil
	Rockland, NY - USA, Under The Rock
	Rohnert Park, CA - USA, Shadows Crossing
	Sacramento, CA - USA, Sacramento By Night
	Salvador, BA - Brazil, Veritas Salvatore
	San Antonio, TX - USA, Libertatis Cunabula
	São Paulo, SP - Brazil, São Paulo by Night
	Savannah, GA - USA, City of Shadows
	Sheboygan, WI - USA, Blood on the Lake
	Springfield, IL - USA, Capitol City Cauldron
	Springfield, OH - USA, Ohio Knights Sabbat
	Tampa, FL - USA, Orlando: Magic Kingdom
	Twin Cities, MN, - USA, The Last Stand
	Vale do Itajaí, SC - Brazil, Fear of the Dark
	Vale do Paraíba, SP - Brazil, Vale Sangrento
	Vitória, ES - Brazil, Blood and Darkness
	Washington, DC - USA, Shadows on the Horizon
	Wichita, KS - Rebellion in the Shadows
	Winona, MN - USA, Winona Dark Haven
	Worcester County, MA - USA, Quabbin
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