[Character Bylaws][Objection] Addition to Character Bylaws - Obten Combos
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Proposal Type: Bylaw Revision
Opened: 14-Apr-2021 12:00AM EDT
Closing: 21-Apr-2021 12:00AM EDT
Pursuant to Coordinator Bylaw §3.C.iii.1.a, I, Anthony Nordman, as Lasombra Coordinator, propose the following. This proposal has the potential to autopass.
I. VAMPIRE CONTROLLED ITEMS
viii. Powers
##. Obtenebration based Combination Disciplines possessed by Non-Lasombra or their Bloodlines - PC: Coordinator Approval - NPC: Unregulated - Coordinator: Lasombra
Armory of the Abyss
Armor of Darkness
Clarity of Emptiness (Obtenebration Variant)
Dark Steel
Eminence of Shade
Gazing into the Abyss
Shadowed Eyes
Shadow Looking Glass
Shroud of Absence
This is being proposed with No Legacy.
Rationale: I feel there is a proliferation of some of the more powerful Lasombra combos on non-lasombra, and I would like to have more of a handle on how these specific combos are spread out. The alternative here is to simply regulate them for non-Sabbat, where Obten is already regulated - however I feel it is fairer to regulate them across the board. This is being proposed with no Legacy to assure that those who have these combos got them from a valid source.
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44 out of 160 eligible voters cast their ballot
For
55% (24 votes)
Against
41% (18 votes)
Abstain
5% (2 votes)
| Chronicle/Position | Voted for | Comment |
|---|---|---|
| Dubuque, IA - USA, Kingdom of Ashes | For | If they are proliferated enough to be a problem, then No Legacy is the appropriate solution. No Legacy just means you need to get the Coord's approval. Honestly, if you feel that's too much of an administrative nightmare for your game, maybe that's why this has become a problem. This comment has been revised 1 time. Click here to see revision history Version 2 dated: Apr 20 2021, 11:53am EDT If they are proliferated enough to be a problem, then No Legacy is the appropriate solution. No Legacy just means you need to get the Coord's approval. Honestly, if you feel that's too much of an administrative nightmare for your game, maybe that's why this has become a problem. |
| New York City, NY - USA, Kings of New York | Against | No Legacy and applies to all Sabbat is a hard no from us |
| St. Louis, MO - USA, Shadows of St. Louis | Against | |
| Los Angeles, CA - USA, La Sangre De Los Angeles | For | |
| Campinas, SP - Brazil, Império das Cinzas | For | |
| Rockland, NY - USA, Under The Rock | Against | |
| Mossoro, RN - Brazil, Mossoro by Night | For | |
| Fortaleza, CE - Brazil, Land of The Sun | For | |
| Curitiba, PR - Brazil, Curitiba By Night | Against | No legacy... No way. |
| Iowa City, IA - USA, Fields of Rage | For | |
| Decatur, IL - USA, The Chaos Within | Against | |
| Bartow, FL - USA, Polk County Prophecies | Against | |
| Sacramento, CA - USA, Sacramento By Night | For | |
| Philadelphia, PA - USA, Nusquam | For | |
| Fredericksburg, VA - USA, Caine's Chosen: Liberty in Death | Abstain | |
| Norwalk, CT - USA, Rails of Revolution | Against | |
| Providence, RI - USA, Hidden Flame | Abstain | Abstaining pending evaluation |
| Atlanta, GA - USA, Whispers of Atlanta | For | |
| Cleveland, OH - USA, Carpe Noctum | Against | |
| Dayton, OH - USA, Dying Embers | Against | |
| Brasília, DF - Brazil, Pacis Aeternae | For | |
| Allentown, PA - USA, Steel Valley by Night | Against | While this doesn't affect SVbN, no legacy will make this an administrative nightmare for more than a handful of games. This comment has been revised 1 time. Click here to see revision history Version 1 dated: Apr 14 2021, 9:11am EDT No legacy will make this an administrative nightmare for s’more than a handful of games. Version 2 dated: Apr 20 2021, 4:03pm EDT While this doesn't affect SVbN, no legacy will make this an administrative nightmare for more than a handful of games. |
| Macon, GA - USA, Stolen Hours | Against | As per ST discussion. |
| Cincinnati, OH - USA, Shadows of Cincinnati | For | |
| Columbus, OH - USA, Columbus in Darkness | For | |
| Springfield, IL - USA, Capitol City Cauldron | Against | |
| Boston, MA - USA, Reclaimed | Against | |
| Los Angeles, CA - USA, Dark Side of the Moon | For | |
| Gimli, MB - Canada, Sang Nordique | For | |
| Ann Arbor, MI - USA, Tower of Broken Glass | For | |
| Northern Virginia, VA - USA, Night Falls | Against | |
| Annapolis, MD - USA, Vitae Aeternus | For | |
| Edwardsville, IL - USA, Caught in Eternal Twilight | For | |
| Phoenix, AZ - USA, Unchained Arizona | Against | |
| Chicago, IL - USA, New Moon Rising | For | Anyone who has these should be able to easily explain how and why they have it. No different than the gargoyle prop we just passed a few months ago. |
| Gainesville, FL - USA, Won't Back Down | For | |
| Vale do Itajaí, SC - Brazil, Fear of the Dark | Against | |
| Peoria, IL - USA, The Far Dawn | For | One suggestion, as this may well cover a significant number of legacies, it might be reasonable to add an extended window for legacies to come into compliance. |
| Bloomington, IL - USA, Zephyr of Darkness | For | |
| Bridgeport, CT - USA, Bridgeport by Night: The Broken City | For | |
| Cincinnati, OH - USA, Rage and Fury | Against | Against due to no legacy and it should be Non-Sabbat with an exception to Lasombra in other sects. This comment has been revised 1 time. Click here to see revision history Version 1 dated: Apr 14 2021, 9:51am EDT Against due to no legacy and it should not Non-Sabbat with an exception to Lasombra in other sects. Version 2 dated: Apr 14 2021, 1:39pm EDT Against due to no legacy and it should be Non-Sabbat with an exception to Lasombra in other sects. |
| Grady, GA - USA, Whispers of Grady | For | |
| Cambridge, MA - USA, The Midnight Rose | Against | Per HST request This comment has been revised 1 time. Click here to see revision history Version 1 dated: Apr 16 2021, 12:49am EDT Seems reasonable enough Version 2 dated: Apr 16 2021, 12:51am EDT Per HST request |
| San Antonio, TX - USA, Libertatis Cunabula | For | Obten Combos can be extremely powerful, and I do 100% believe there should be regulation for things outside of the clan. They are meant for clan, not for sect pass arounds. |
If they are proliferated enough to be a problem, then No Legacy is the appropriate solution. No Legacy just means you need to get the Coord's approval. Honestly, if you feel that's too much of an administrative nightmare for your game, maybe that's why this has become a problem.